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Nipple estim question

Postby zepart949 » 18 Sep 2021, 17:57

I have a tens unit that I picked up on Amazon. Marketed as a massage device. I also have some clips. Normally I attach them to my metal chastity cage for a bit of fun.

I’m wondering though if I could use them as nipple clamps and still be safe. I’ve read to not do estim above the waist or of you do make sure it’s bipolar. But I can’t figure out if my setup is that or not.

Below is what I have

AUVON Dual Channel TENS Unit Muscle Stimulator Machine with 20 Modes, 2" and 2"x4" TENS Unit Electrode Pads https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07D58V8LD/ ... UTF8&psc=1


ZJchao 10pcs 2.0mm Ear Clip Electrode Wire Electrode Lead Cable Durable Connecting Cable for Digital TENS Massage Machine Breast Ear Massage Clip https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08R7RXPNP/ ... UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby kinbaku » 18 Sep 2021, 20:43

zepart949 wrote:ZJchao 10pcs 2.0mm Ear Clip Electrode Wire Electrode Lead Cable Durable Connecting Cable for Digital TENS Massage Machine Breast Ear Massage Clip https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08R7RXPNP/ ... UTF8&psc=1

Although they bring two wires to the same nipple clamp in the attached photo, it doesn't seem to be a bipolar nipple clamp to me.
In a bipolar, the top side of the nipple clamp is connected to a different wire than the bottom side of the nipple clamp so that current flows for example from the top, through the nipple to the bottom of the same nipple.
If you are well aware of the type of signals you are sending you can also use it to send from one nipple to another nipple (see some post of KinkInSpace, the formerly Slave_L: Our specialist in the field of nipples and electricity on this :wink: ), but I would rather buy another bipolar instead. Better safe than dead as long as you don't have enough experience about it.
This purchase that you did is not lost. It can be used for the scrotum for the men or the labia for the women. :mrgreen:

So you should look at nipple clamps where each clamp has 2 wires like bipolar clamps, one for the bottom and one for the upper side.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby KinkInSpace » 20 Sep 2021, 17:34

Kinbaku is correct. The clamps you describe here are indeed unipolar. You connect a pair to one channel and estim goes from one clamp to the other, so with nipple play, you would put one clamp on one nipple and one on the other, and electricity would go through the chest.

But looking further, your estim device is a tens unit. Tens units are generally safe when it comes for doing estim across the chest. The pulses they send out, even on higher levels are made to stimulate the upper nerves and not react that much with muscles.

That said, tens units on higher settings will most definitely work on muscles, it are the EMS units that are actually very dangarous above the waist. Their output will impact the chest muscles and internal organs on a much higher level.

So, in essence this means that in theory you should be safe. In practice however, every body is different and you do need the proper experience and be very careful doing this.

It is definitely very smart to use unipolar clamps first and avoid the chest as much as possible. Also, avoid on-off style of patterns where the off time is one second or more if you intend to go to higher settings. This is especially true if you are considering to train your chest muscles and use the pads, but go from one breast to the other rather than 2 pads per breast.

Keep in mind that it is the sudden strong current going through the heart that will cause the heart to be affected by the electricity. If the body is relaxed, it can take a lot. If it is not, the electricity will be an even worse influence to your heart rhythm.

So everything comes down to you first doing it safe and getting used to the feeling and only once all is very familiar, you can slowly try other stuff. By that time, you know how things feel and what to expect, and the moment something doesn't feel right, you will instantly recognize it. If that happens, abort and don't try again at least for a day. Treat your heath as top priority.

Last note, in hospitals, they use these cardiac machines that can generate a big shock to restart the heart. They can dial in the power. A proper EMS powerbox on max setting still usually goes lower than the lowest setting they would use in the hospital, and TENS is even lower than that. So all signs point to this being safe, but my experience also tells me that everyone reacts differently to various stimuli and even things that are considered safe can fail dramatically due to not being prepared or simply doing the wrong thing at the wrong time.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby Blacky » 20 Sep 2021, 19:32

As far as I know, the problem with any kind of estim across the chest is the risk of interfering with the sinu-atrial node.
I'm certainly no expert, but would rather stick to bipolar clamps if playing above the waist.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby kinbaku » 20 Sep 2021, 19:55

Blacky wrote:As far as I know, the problem with any kind of estim across the chest is the risk of interfering with the sinu-atrial node.
I'm certainly no expert, but would rather stick to bipolar clamps if playing above the waist.

And the atrioventricular node causing the heart to vibrate (300-600 times per minute) instead of beating (60-80 beats per minute). The atrial fibrillation can result in blood clots and heart failure.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby ruru67 » 21 Sep 2021, 00:51

This is a pet annoyance of mine. People say, don't run your TENS above the waist, but point to no cases - zero, nada,, zip - of harm from such uses, and TENS units are prescribed to lots and lots of people for non-kinky purposes without any warnings beyond some pretty basic contraindications. It's only kinksters who worry about this.

I suppose there's a theoretical chance of trouble, but there's a theoretical chance of getting struck by lightning too ... and unlike the former, the latter has plenty of documented cases.

I wrote this up ... a wee while ago ... https://rurubound.wordpress.com/2012/05 ... the-waist/

Suffice to say, I'm satisfied that - barring obvious contraindications like implanted medical devices, serious heart conditions and so-forth - that using a TENS or equivalent device with unipolar clips on the nipples is well inside my risk appetite.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby KinkInSpace » 21 Sep 2021, 15:50

My own research says that a TENS unit on max from nipple to nipple is safe. I basically had an accident where my new DG-Lab Coyote went from 0 to max in a matter of seconds and I survived with little harm done.

However, there are many many TENS units out there and there are even estim units out there that combine TENS and EMS. The EMS one is dangarous, the TENS shouldn't be.

So yeah, this is one of those: "I'm not a doctor, I just read that someone said it is not safe, and I can't argue why its wrong, so I better repeat that. Better safe than sorry" And this happened a lot, which is why this is the general advice now. There is definitely some logic behind the reasoning but no actual testing and neither can I find any documentation of people actually having issues from this.

TENS manufacturers even claim their device is safe because of the principle that is used. Our body uses electricity in abundance and electricity has the following properties: It will try to find the path with least resistance, it will get weaker the larger the surface it travels over, most problems come from the difference in electricity where the electrons go from not being in a moving state to going into a very rapid moving state, not to be mistaken by the fact that once you stop electricity the electrons don't stop moving instantly, which is why the longer you wait between on and off time, the more you feel it again.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby OrgasmAlley » 23 Sep 2021, 13:00

Pet peeve of mine, too. Since the days of IRC, I've been searching for a single confirmed estim death that didn't involve the direct application of mains power (120/220 VAC), and haven't yet found one. There are fewer than 10 estim deaths of any sort, and the bulk involve an extension cord to apply mains power across the nipples (although the most unusual involved two people wearing unipolar buttplugs having sex).

I have no problem with people making different decisions for themselves about risk levels, but "below the waist" (and it's newer extension, "only bipolar above the waist") is not a rule that can be justified in data. The Lords and Ladies of Internet Kink Safety, led by Jay Wiseman, got this one wrong when they made it up.
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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby bound_jenny » 24 Sep 2021, 07:28

OrgasmAlley wrote:the most unusual involved two people wearing unipolar buttplugs having sex


You've just planted a mental image that will last at least for the rest of the day. :lol:

That mental image also involved the two participants unable to... disengage... because of all the tangled wires... :facepalm: :rofl:

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Re: Nipple estim question

Postby ponylady » 26 Sep 2021, 00:37

bound_jenny wrote:
OrgasmAlley wrote:the most unusual involved two people wearing unipolar buttplugs having sex




Also, the username fits the crime.
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