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I'm with Ponylady on this.

If you take the whole thing in context, no vaccine is entirely without side effects of some kind or other.

Flu vaccines give me pain at the injection point on occasion, which is a perfectly natural physical reaction to having something stuck in your flesh. Stick yourself with a sewing needle, accidentally, and the "injection point" will be sore for a while, not just in the immediate. So I'd eliminate pain at the injection point as a vaccine-specific cause - any vaccine. It's not the vaccine that causes the pain, it's the invasion of a sharp metal object into one's flesh.

That statistic basically has no meaning to me. Believe me, I do a lot of sewing - my fingers can witness to that.

As for the current COVID vaccines, as I mentioned in a previous post, they're designed for the original variant. That's why there are breakthrough cases - like the one I'm slowly recovering from right at this moment.

Also, whatever reactions observed are *always* amplified, inflated, dramatized and made to be much scarier than reality by the media, who are more interested by increasing readership/viewership/clicker-ship than by actually telling the truth in perspective. Why? Because people love to be scared. I like the term "fear porn" to describe what being served to us to lap up. I know that doesn't help those who died from/with reactions to being vaccinated, but that's the big picture, in perspective.

Take, for example, the AstraZeneca vaccine. It was widely reported, with great emphasis and breathless, bulgy-eyed excitement (almost jumping up and down with glee) by the media, that the vaccine caused blot clots. What they failed to mention is that COVID is even more likely to cause blot clots! So I got the AstraZeneca shot anyway, knowing that the chances of developing blood clots from the vaccine were less than that of being struck by lightning or getting the actual disease. I didn't pull this out of my ass just now (I'll leave that to the media and politicians). I looked it up back in the spring before I decided which vaccine to get. I did my bloody homework.

If you want blood clots, go sit in a plane for eight-plus hours without leaving your seat. Or spend a few weeks in a hospital bed (there's a reason why you get daily shots of a mild anti-coagulant when you're in the hospital).

There's also the unfortunate tendency of the media to confuse risk with danger. Danger is the probable consequence of something. Risk is the probability of that consequence of happening. Getting bad side effects from a vaccine is a great danger. Actually getting them is a very low risk/probability. The media will only report of side effects. Very rarely and almost in an aside tone, they will talk about the actual risk.

The media are a worse problem than the vaccine or the virus. Politicians not far behind with their Keystone Kops attempts to keep us safe (though their first concern is image, not public health).

So stop being scared by everything the media pulls out of its ass.

Now for the real news:

This morning, I'm feeling a lot better than any time since Christmas day when the symptoms started. I'm still a physical wreck but that's something I can deal with on my own terms. I know I can recover completely. I will recover completely.

Like Ponylady said, I survived way worse, way scarier. I'm a tough old mare, with attitude. :whip:

What I have learned through all my health challenges is that one's morale, one's determination to survive and overcome counts as much in recovering from whatever is trying to kill us. If I only looked at the worst case scenarios, the outcomes of my challenges would probably not be as rosy as they are today.

Being a tough old mare with attitude got me through all of that.

Remember that when you face your own challenges.

(I must be getting better - that was a respectable rant 8) )

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I agree with what Jenny says.
And it also shows that Jenny is back - albeit not optimally yet, but it won't be long before she can wield the whip like never before. :whip: :wink:
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bound_jenny wrote:(I must be getting better - that was a respectable rant )

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:hi: :) Glad you are feeling better :love: 8)

Bear in mind us oldies have the ability to doze off in the middle of shows and online viewing even without the dreaded covid :shock: , and I hope the whip arm :whip: is back up to par soon
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ponylady wrote:My only problem with your presentation is that you „real“ numbers, as in 1 of 100 vaxxes did
I'm not sure what this says. I linked to the study and posted a picture of the graph key to my point, both of which clearly display "real" numbers, if that is what you feel is lacking.

I find it astonishing that anyone could look at the information in this study and suggest that it should be ignored. It quite literally says that for specific people, one particular shot (Moderna shot #2) has roughly 6 times incidence of an associated potentially deadly side effect, in comparison to other alternatives that are roughly as effective and available. If the general hypothesis -- which I included -- that this effect is actually much more concentrated by age than this breakdown reveals is correct, a more specific group of people may have 30 times the risk.

What I'm reading from Jenny is that this information should actually be suppressed... because it might be used to dissuade people from getting vaccinated. Huh?

I can tell you what's really good at keeping people from getting vaxxed. When they find out data about negative effects are being hidden in an effort to get them to get vaccinated.

I was quite explicit both times how this information should be used. This is not "media" information, but what looks to be a perfectly good study... with findings that are easily actionable. It shows NO meaningful elevation of risk of myocarditis from ANY of these shots for men over 40 or women of any age, and has the obvious conclusion that men under 40 can easily seek out a second shot that is not Moderna. I don't see anything at all about this actionable information that discourages people from getting vaxxed, or that furthers the anti-vax case.
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The UK continues to have both quality and informative data for understanding Omicron. One key point currently... Omicron hospitalization figures are rising somewhat, but only 20% of Omicron hospitalizations are due to viral complications. That is, 80% of "Omicron hospitalizations" are actually in hospital for something else, and tested positive for Omicron as part of the admissions process. This leaves actual hospitalizations _due_ to Omicron at an extremely low level given the massive spread of Omicron in the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/1 ... gniter-rhr
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Why is the media trying to bring Johnson & Johnson back into the spot light? I don't know, just heard that on the National Public Radio this morning as it woke me from a beautiful dream of hanging with you fine people. :love: Just "part of the show" right? And we're the players.
I hope we don't need a Omicron thread. I should have just called this one, "Pandemic Blues".
So yeah, stay safe, stay properly informed, and what ever that salt thing I said before that I can't even remember now......... :roll:
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The only news I have heard recently about J&J is that data shows it's extreme effective against serious cases when employed as a booster, with the unusual characteristic that efficacy rises over the first couple of weeks and then maintains for at least 2 months (more data not available). That was a study from 6x,xxx South African health care workers. The J&J is particularly attractive in the third world because of the ease of transportation and storage.
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OrgasmAlley wrote:Omicron hospitalization figures are rising somewhat, but only 20% of Omicron hospitalizations are due to viral complications. That is, 80% of "Omicron hospitalizations" are actually in hospital for something else, and tested positive for Omicron as part of the admissions process. This leaves actual hospitalizations _due_ to Omicron at an extremely low level given the massive spread of Omicron in the UK.
There's the media thing again. Their scaring people to death likely kills more people than the Omicron does... :facepalm:

FYI I feel a lot better today :D . Almost up to going back to the range for some sharp-whipping practice. Need to keep up my aim.

Remember the tip of the whip is supersonic. You won't hear it coming... :whip: :twisted:

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bound_jenny wrote:FYI I feel a lot better today :D . Almost up to going back to the range for some sharp-whipping practice. Need to keep up my aim.

Remember the tip of the whip is supersonic. You won't hear it coming... :whip: :twisted:

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bound_jenny wrote:There's the media thing again. Their scaring people to death likely kills more people than the Omicron does... :facepalm:
For sure... if it bleeds, it leads. Or if it says you're likely to die unless you do the thing, whatever thing they want you to do.

Interesting one today. It's been common knowledge that obesity is a risk factor for serious cases of COVID, but that hasn't really had solid numbers to it. Peer reviewed study published in JAMA Surgery uses a unique approach to do just that. 5K people who had weight loss surgery between 2004 and 2017 were factor-matched to 15K people who did not, all of whom started with a BMI over 35. Lead author says: “The research findings show that patients with obesity who achieved substantial and sustained weight loss with bariatric surgery prior to a COVID-19 infection reduced their risk of developing severe illness by 60 percent”.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasu ... le/2787613
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My German hasn't been used in decades, and wasn't all that good anyway... but a secondary source claims this Robert Koch Institute report on COVID in Germany indicates that 4020 out of 4206 Omicron cases (96%) were among the vaccinated, with one 4% of cases in the unvaxxed. As Germany is about 70% vaccinated, this would indicate a negative efficacy against Omicron infection, potential ADE indicator. According to the secondary source, the layout by shots/booster/cases looks like this:

Two doses: 33% of population, 69% of cases
Boosted: 38% of population, 27% of cases
Unvaxxed: 30% of population, 4% of cases

Perhaps someone can clarify:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/N ... cationFile
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Whatever you know, or believe, it pays to assume that everyone is infected, and that there is no protection. Please mask, distance, and use good judgement if partying tonight.
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OrgasmAlley wrote:My German hasn't been used in decades, and wasn't all that good anyway... but a secondary source claims this Robert Koch Institute report on COVID in Germany indicates that 4020 out of 4206 Omicron cases (96%) were among the vaccinated, with one 4% of cases in the unvaxxed. As Germany is about 70% vaccinated, this would indicate a negative efficacy against Omicron infection, potential ADE indicator. According to the secondary source, the layout by shots/booster/cases looks like this:

Two doses: 33% of population, 69% of cases
Boosted: 38% of population, 27% of cases
Unvaxxed: 30% of population, 4% of cases

Perhaps someone can clarify:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/N ... cationFile

If I'm reading it correctly there were actually 6257 total cases of the Omicron variant detected (confusingly they received reports of symptoms for 6788 cases, not sure were the discrepency lies or whether the higher numer includes other variants). Of these, 186 were unvaccinated, 4020 were fully vaccinated and of those vaccinated 1137 had received a booster vaccination.

The relevant bit in the report, google translate does a decent-ish job on translating it:
Klinisch-epidemiologische Daten
Zu den im Meldesystem vorliegenden Omikronfällen sind zum Teil Zusatzinformationen bekannt. Für 6.788 Fälle wurden Angaben zu den Symptomen übermittelt, es wurden überwiegend keine oder milde Symptome angegeben. Am häufigsten wurde von Patientinnen und Patienten mit Symptomen Schnupfen (54 %), Husten (57 %) und Halsschmerzen (39 %) genannt. 124 Patientinnen und Patienten wurden hospitalisiert, vier Person sind verstorben. Für 543 (5 %) Fälle wurde eine Exposition im Ausland angegeben. 186 Patientinnen und Patienten waren ungeimpft, 4.020 waren vollständig geimpft, von diesen wurde für 1.137 eine Auffrischimpfung angegeben. Auf Basis der übermittelten Daten wurden unter allen übermittelten Omikron-Infektionen 148 Reinfektionen ermittelt, zu keiner der von Reinfektion betroffenen Person wurden Vorerkrankungen übermittelt. Abbildung 9 zeigt die Verteilung der bisher übermittelten Omikronfälle in Deutschland. In allen Bundesländern wurden Omikronfälle nachgewiesen."

Edit to add: keep in mind this is only reported cases, there's a good chance there's a lot of unnoticed infections in both the vacced and unvacced
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Thanks! So "of those with known vaccination status", basically. There will clearly be a large number of unconfirmed cases, particularly given Omicron's lesser symptom pattern. I don't know if confirmed cases are likely to be representative of total cases in Germany... I would think here in the US the unconfirmed cases would lean towards the unvaccinated since taken as a country, in the US people are both more likely to be vaccinated and more likely to be tested as part of working. On the other hand, the elderly are most likely to be vaccinated but also likely to be most isolated and thus less likely to test.
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OrgasmAlley wrote: I would think here in the US the unconfirmed cases would lean towards the unvaccinated since taken as a country, in the US people are both more likely to be vaccinated and more likely to be tested as part of working.
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