anyone ever make an electric cage?

[master dam]

saw an electric deer fence made of nylon web with two bare wires threaded threw it. Was thinking two 20" wood circles about 8' maybe 9' with ribbons every 3 or 4 inches that could not be touched with out getting shocked. For self bondage it would just be a mater of getting in then turning on the power. With hands up overhead I'm sure a slave will remember her first night regardless of how much current is used. blindfolded with metal clamps? or weighted chains to swing, tied by a nylon string for master to pull or not? Standing on rice or softair ammo? or one high heel? I love a good enema squirm, this would keep that in line!

[thedude]

Eh, it's difficult. I've seen it done on at least one porn site. The thing that worries me is buildup. I've had a bad experience once with a cheapo e-stim device, actually. It was a self-stick powerbox on a pad similar to this one (Warning: Naughty Bits!) that used two small snaps to stay in place (the same style snaps you find on bags, pockets, jackets, some jeans, etc). Mid-session (where fortunately I was only using it while not bound) one of the snaps popped loose. A couple seconds later, I went to put it back in place--and got zapped roughly the same as what a disposable camera capacitor can do (which has also happened to me). Except it went directly through my penis. Not quite something I was planning for, so I no longer use that in conjunction with SB.

Moral of the story: Before trying anything like this, I'd strongly advise being sure your circuitry is up to snuff, whether homebuilt or repurposed. Electronic flyswatters come to mind... and wiring one of those to the bars/disc/etc may be a better solution. You might also consider touch-sensing light switches, of the style that are used in lamps. You could possibly wire that in such a way that it allows an e-stim box to power on for a set duration (say, two minutes) and then turns it back off. That would probably end up as the safest option, as the e-stim box is designed expressly for the purpose of zapping a person, and the manufacturer's safety instructions would be the ones you need to follow.

Anyways, electroplay (and especially electroplay with SB) is a prickly subject to get into. Be sure you're doing things as safely as you can.

[bound_jenny]

Electric deer-fence... Isn't this something in the same category as cattle-fence electrifiers? Don't mess with that stuff... they can deliver a nasty shock and if it's near the heart (in a cage, you're surrounded)... you're playing with fire.

Anything jury-rigged or "repurposed" electrical shock device is dangerous because it's not designed for that type of application. Using an electrical device in a way other than its intended purpose is generally a bad idea. An electric deer or livestock fence is made just for that - keeping animals in or out of a specific perimeter. It works for them because they have the good sense to jump (and keep) away from the source of the discomfort. Animals also have a thicker hide and fur to insulate them from the electricity. We don't.

Properly manufactured e-stim machines are especially designed with safety features that prevent tragic accidents from happening, i.e. no single point of failure can deliver lethal amounts of juice (especially since there is little juice to start with).

Anything seen on porn sites is far from being as hugely awesome as it seems. These are greatly watered-down versions that are ensured to be safe for everyone. Also remember that much of that is an act, making it look like more than what it really is, even if there is some discomfort inflicted. It's like someone falling off a 100-story building in an action movie - you see someone falling off what looks like the top of the building, but it's just a stunt on a mock-up set. Add some special effects and some editing, and voilà, a great little scene that looks very convincing. It's still just a movie, and the stuntman is still alive and kicking.

Rules to observe are:

1) Keep it below the waist.
2) Use only devices specifically designed for that purpose, i.e. shocking people, not animals. This does not count stun guns, tazers or anything in that category.
3) Favor battery-operated equipment. The less juice there is, the less likely something unfortunate will happen.
4) With electricity, more is not better, it's deadly.

Play safe.

Jenny. (moderator's hat on).

[thedude]

Electric deer-fence... Isn't this something in the same category as cattle-fence electrifiers? Don't mess with that stuff... they can deliver a nasty shock and if it's near the heart (in a cage, you're surrounded)... you're playing with fire.

This is definitely true. I've seen (just video of it, but still..) someone get zapped by a 'deer' fence, and since there wasn't the additional layer of fur to get through, it was a strong enough shock to leave burns. After a fraction of a moment. I'm pretty sure you mentioned them as a concept though (something that penalizes you for touching it) rather than as something you wanted to use directly.

[nitro]

And don't pee on the fence!

[bound_jenny]

And don't pee on the fence!

I just had a Mythbusters flashback...

Jenny.

[master dam]

As soon as I posted this I know I should have specified not using it with deer voltage. Any thoughts on what you could use? Battery of course.

[thedude]

As soon as I posted this I know I should have specified not using it with deer voltage. Any thoughts on what you could use? Battery of course.

I'm still thinking your best bet is a normal e-stim unit with electrodes in-place vaginally or anally or anywhere else fun (below the waist). Then use a touch-sensing lamp dimmer to control whether the juice to the box is on or off. The closest thing to what you're after would probably be to DIY something that allows the touch sensor to control a relay on a timer, kicking the box on for a set time as a penalty. There are some instructions here on how to build a touch sensor from relatively inexpensive parts. As for getting a timer into the works and controlling a relay... maybe an Arduino controller?

[bound_jenny]

As soon as I posted this I know I should have specified not using it with deer voltage. Any thoughts on what you could use? Battery of course.

I restate my advice that using something that is not intended for the purpose you will use it for is dangerous, even if you can find a way to "not use it with deer voltage". Follow the advice given by others here and use a commercially available e-stim unit, which is specifically designed for that purpose and certified safe by the regulatory agencies. Anytime one uses electrical equipment in a way that it is not designed for, it's looking for trouble.

Jenny.

[Riddle]

A tens unit would not be my choice to electrify a cage. The power from one of those must flow from one electrode to another. If an electrode is placed on the body below the waist and a hand touches the cage, a jolt will be felt on that side of the body. A path through the heart could be possible. Another problem could be the poor contact between the cage and the person. This could result in painful shocks and possible burns.

The violet wand would be my choice. It is a single-contact device which prefers a small gap or poor contact point to function best. The main issue with using one of these is the low duty cycle. If one used the touch sensor method in conjunction with the violet wand, it could be possible to play with an electrified cage for longer periods of time. The sensor circuit would have to be protected from high voltage and RF interference. Watches and cell phones have been fried by getting too close to a violet wand device. I have seen a cage with steel bars wrapped in conductive rope and used with a violet wand. Much fun was had by those involved until the wand needed to cool off.

[thedude]

A tens unit would not be my choice to electrify a cage. The power from one of those must flow from one electrode to another. If an electrode is placed on the body below the waist and a hand touches the cage, a jolt will be felt on that side of the body. A path through the heart could be possible. Another problem could be the poor contact between the cage and the person. This could result in painful shocks and possible burns.

Not quite what I meant. My idea would be to use a double-pole electrode in the ass or such, and use a touch sensor on the bars solely for turning the E-stim box on (and probably a timer to turn it off).

[nitro]

Sounds much safer, A wireless unit would make it nice and self contained

[Riddle]

A tens unit would not be my choice to electrify a cage. The power from one of those must flow from one electrode to another. If an electrode is placed on the body below the waist and a hand touches the cage, a jolt will be felt on that side of the body. A path through the heart could be possible. Another problem could be the poor contact between the cage and the person. This could result in painful shocks and possible burns.

Not quite what I meant. My idea would be to use a double-pole electrode in the ass or such, and use a touch sensor on the bars solely for turning the E-stim box on (and probably a timer to turn it off).

Oh, now I understand! That is an excellent idea.

For the cheap TENS units with intensity knobs that also turn off that channel, a relay could control the 9V battery powering the unit with minimal modification of the TENS unit. Just buy two 9V power leads from Radio Shack or your preferred electronic parts store. Use one lead to connect to the battery and the other to connect to the unit. Be careful with polarity; the lead wires connected to the unit would be opposite of normal (red -, black +).

The Erostek remote unit reverts to mode 0 and power level 0 when it turns on. Therefore, the remote control would have to be modified to make this work. I plan to buy an extra remote so that I can replace the switches with wires. This way I only risk voiding the warranty on the $15 remote instead of the $300 box.