Has anybody actually had to go to a locksmith?

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Has anybody actually had to go to a locksmith?

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This came up in my fiction, and set me wondering: has anybody actually gone to a locksmith to get out of a bondage device, rather than just destroy the device or its lock? If so, what happened? Go on! Share...
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For the record, it's illegal in certain countries (and states in the US) to own bolt cutters or any similar un-powered tool that can quickly and easily defeat a lock shackle without a special license (such as law enforcement or a locksmith). So yes, it's entirely reasonable to assume someone, at some point, has had to go to a locksmith.
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i dont know of any place in the US that bolt cutters are illegal.and i have been to 46 sates
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tiemeupalso wrote:i dont know of any place in the US that bolt cutters are illegal.and i have been to 46 sates
While it often revolves around "intent", previous offenses, or a combination thereof, many states have such laws.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/re ... -tools.htm

And believe me, prosecutors can quite easily prove intent, no matter if you had it or not. Juries are incredibly gullible, and tend to assume that, if a person is on trial, they are already proven guilty. See THIS VIDEO for more information on how easy it is for prosecution and police to manipulate what you say, what you don't say, and what they want the jury to hear.
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davisev5225 wrote:
tiemeupalso wrote:i dont know of any place in the US that bolt cutters are illegal.and i have been to 46 sates
While it often revolves around "intent", previous offenses, or a combination thereof, many states have such laws.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/re ... -tools.htm

And believe me, prosecutors can quite easily prove intent, no matter if you had it or not. Juries are incredibly gullible, and tend to assume that, if a person is on trial, they are already proven guilty. See THIS VIDEO for more information on how easy it is for prosecution and police to manipulate what you say, what you don't say, and what they want the jury to hear.
Unfortunate and unfair though this is, I guess it does have the "benefit" of making some bondage devices legally inescapable... :gag:
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In Europe one can have as meny bolt cutters as one like. They are for sale in any hardware store and by default, nobody is allowed to even assume that you are planning to use it for anything else, than it is ment to be used. So if your lock is expendable, you dont have to call locksmidth. But I almosg would like to be locksmith in US and known as a female chastity belt specialist :twisted:
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I was a Carpenter all my working career. When doing Concrete forms, Re-bar was often used.
The easiest way to cut re-bar was with large bolt cutters. So Bolt cutters where a tool box idem.
Not once in my 50 years, was I ever approached by any law enforcement official about the use of them.
Now If you where trying to break into a locked area with the bolt cutters, then I could see someone
having to have broken the Law.
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RADER123 wrote:Now If you where trying to break into a locked area with the bolt cutters, then I could see someone having to have broken the Law.
That's the common sense approach to the question - if you're breaking into some place, you're already breaking the law! That's called breaking and entering. It doesn't matter if you're using bolt cutters to defeat a padlock or a brick to break a window. Bolt cutters are tools, period. The Nanny State solution would be to severely restrict the possession and use of bolt cutters, which is ridiculous. How about hammers? Screwdrivers? Ice picks? Once one gets started on that slippery slope, there's only one way to go, and that's downhill. Pretty soon you'll need a concealed-carry permit to have a roll of toilet paper in your purse. :roll:

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Jenny;
All I have to say is AMEND!!
BTW, Where do you apply for a conceal and carry permit for "TP"
I might need one the next time I go to Walmart. :rofl: :rofl:
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So that's a "No" to anybody ever having to go to a locksmith or call one in...
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Giles English wrote:So that's a "No" to anybody ever having to go to a locksmith or call one in...
Guess so.
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I have the tools in the Castle Cumference Workshop to defeat any lock in my possession.

I would however not like to try to break into my gun lockers. They are constructed to make unauthorized access a PITA, and my toys could get hurt while doing it!
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Very nearly had to go to fire station to have a collar removed. The securing screw appeared to have stripped its thread. But after 30 minutes of panic (which in hindsight was enjoyable) I managed to remove said collar.
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Most jurisdictions have statutes outlawing "burglary tools", e.g. NZ (Summary Offences Act 1981):
14 Possession of burglary tools
Every person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or a fine not exceeding $2,000 who, without reasonable excuse, has in his possession any instrument capable of being used for burglary in circumstances that prima facie show an intention to use it for burglary.
But as can be seen from the wording, and my italics, such offences are highly contextual. There are similar offences for "without reasonable excuse, has any knife in his or her possession" in a public place. The "reasonable excuse" bit is important; many, many people carry pocket knives - I certainly do - without fearing prosecution because, "a little pocket knife for opening stuff and just being useful" is a reasonable excuse. A Bowie knife on one's belt downtown, not so much.

As others pointed out, tools are tools. I have a reasonable set, and can get pretty much all gear I have off, eventually. The likely impediments aren't so much materials (a decent hacksaw or file will get through most things, if shears or snips won't) but risk of injury - when I needed to cut off a collar I went out and bought a rotary tool (I wanted one anyway, damn useful thing) rather than using a drill or hacksaw because getting into a collar with these was going to be awkward and any accident risked nasty injuries.
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No, never had to go, but one time it was close. Lucky that we had bolt cutters :D
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