Looking for a good place to store my backup key

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Looking for a good place to store my backup key

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Hi there,

I'm looking for ideas here to store my backup key.

Let me first explain the situation.

So I love wearing chastity cages and belts. I have a proper belt now, and the fun thing is, I cannot get it off no matter what, which is awesome. Chastity cages, so far I've always been able to remove, so the problem wasn't that big.

But now, with more serious play, I came across the point where I really do need to have a backup key available.

It can happen, if you do not properly clean yourself (and even if you do, it can still happen) that after you pee, you may find out that you keep the urge to pee and if you try, little to nothing comes out and you have a burning feeling.

This is called an urethra tract infection. Usually in these cases, drinking lots of water and trying to pee a few times helps, also getting an orgasm speeds up recovery as fluids roll past your urethra to clean things up. Of course the cage has to be removed as soon as possible so the penis can be in its natural state again.

As you can see, if I lock up the keys to my belt in a kSafe for a week, and on the 2nd day I get the above problem, a simple infection that can go away in a couple of hours can develop to a serious infection that requires antibiotics to cure. I speak from experience unfortunately.

I want to store my backup keys in such way that it does take effort to get them, but aren't so far to get that I can't get to them in a real situation.

At first I was thinking, I'll store them in my garage. I live in an apartment building on the 2nd floor. Going to the garage means I have to leave my home, go down 2 stairs, across the parking lot to the area with my garage, to get the key. But the problem is, if I am in this state where I feel I constantly have to pee, I do not want to be spending lots of time getting dressed, go to the garage to get the key, etc.

So I feel like I need to store the key somewhere in my home, but I want it to take some effort so that I don't use it unless I really need to break the session.

I have considered using those plastic locks with numbers and secure the backup key to something. I have to break the seal to get the key and replace its lock. I do not have many of these plastic padlocks so I don't want to use them up, so to speak.

The issue is, I am not sure. Maybe there's a better approach. Also, I have no idea where to secure it, as I obviously don't want anyone to find the key and ask questions.

Do you have similar experiences? If so, please share. Maybe I'll learn a thing or two and come up with something that works in my case. :)
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We use clear plastic packing tape around the spare key, with a certain piece of newspaper inside, so any tampering is evident, it would be impossible to re-tape it how it was.. Unless I went and bought the same paper, and cut out the same article..etc.. This option isn't used when my Wife is home, She holds the spare key, or keeps it somewhere else completely.. For your use, a few layers of duct tape would be pretty difficult to remove, but possible. This seems to be the biggest problem with long-term chastity, is sometimes, you do HAVE to be able to remove the device.
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Good idea with the duct tape. I am just afraid the glue from the tape may compromise the key in such way that at some point it destroys the locking mechanism itself. Any negative experiences with that?

Also, good ideas for hiding the key?

As for the newspaper one, I am alone, so it doesn't matter if I can reseal the key or not without it being the same. So that wouldn't work for me.
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Minor nitpick, it's called a Urinary tract infection (commonly referred to as a UTI) which can result from not fully emptying the bladder and urinary tract when peeing and/or from improper hygiene techniques.
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Slave_L wrote:Good idea with the duct tape. I am just afraid the glue from the tape may compromise the key in such way that at some point it destroys the locking mechanism itself. Any negative experiences with that?

Also, good ideas for hiding the key?

As for the newspaper one, I am alone, so it doesn't matter if I can reseal the key or not without it being the same. So that wouldn't work for me.

We use clear packing tape, I have only ever needed to use it once, and everything was OK. Sounds like a good idea for you- would be to wrap your spare in plastic wrap, then wrap as much duct tape around it as you would want to unwrap in an emergency situation. That way there would be no need to get out the acetone to clean your key with. As far as hiding it... hmm... this could be a tricky one. You NEED to be able to get it in an emergency. So, you NEED to know where it is. You WANT it to be difficult to get at, but again, you NEED to be able to get at it in an emergency. This is, unfortunately, where a keyholder is really needed, if you want emergency only access. It could be as simple as a trusted friend, who knows the combination to your "candy drawer" lock, all the way up to hiring someone to do it. Or, a second Kitchen safe, that you care less about than an infection...possibly one of the computer programs with a combination lock? I'm around the house all day, I will think this thru, there must be a way to do something....
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So you want it to be an effort, but not to take time... How often is this likely to happen?
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I have some ideas but I'm not sure which ones might or might not work for you.

First idea - The piggy bank:
Put the key into a piggy bank. There are some that basically look like a coffe tin can, so hiding it in your kitchen wouldn't lead to too many questions, I guess. Some of these cans don't even provide a means to retrieve their content, which means you'd have to destroy the can to get to the key. This might be just as likely an advantage as it may be a disadvantage.

Second idea - The pipe and padlock:
Take a piece of pipe with an inside diameter large enough to put the key into it. Close to one end drill a hole through the pipe. Put the key into the pipe (teeth first) and lock it into the pipe by passing a padlock through the drilled holes and the hole in the grip bit of the key (provided there is a hole in it, of course). In order to prevent having to hide a second key you'll obviously want to use a combo lock! :roll: :D
If your wardrobe contains a clothesrail this might be the pipe you want to use, as it already is kind of hidden by default. Just make sure you can't "twist" the key out of the pipe.
In order to get to the key you'll have to unlock the padlock and, if you use the clothes rail, unmount the rail.

Third idea - All the wrong keys:
Drawback first here: This will require quite some money, I'm afraid.
The idea is to get another key made that fits the lock on the belt. Additionaly buy a multitude of keys that look just the same but aren't filed to fit he lock. Lock both original keys in hte Ksafe. Leave the copy along with the blank keys (make sure to mix them well :twisted: :wink: ) in whatever place you like.
If you need to get out, you'll have to try them all until you come across the right one. You may of course individually wrap them up in shrinkwrap, if you feel you need to.


I guess I could come up with some more ideas. If there's any need, just let me know.

Kind regards,

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Giles English wrote:So you want it to be an effort, but not to take time... How often is this likely to happen?
If all goes well, never. But its an escape, so it should be possible to use it say.... 5 times at least?
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Thanks Blacky, unfortunately these aren't that useful.

I'm looking for something that will allow me to get the keys easy, but I really must be in an emergency to use it, and hiding should be easy.

The thing about requiring to break something is something that doesn't appeal to me because it would mean I would have to get 2 of the items so I can quickly replace it, otherwise I have to wait. Although an expensive item is something I definitely don't want to break unless I have to, it might cause me to not use it when I need it which is even worse, but also costs money.

So I need something I can break that is somewhat cheap.

If I go this route, the best thing I can still think of are the plastic padlocks that are one-time use. I then secure it to something out of sight. The question is, what or where? It must be strong enough so that I really have to break the padlock to get the key, yet be out of sight. Any thoughts?
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Slave_L wrote:
Giles English wrote:So you want it to be an effort, but not to take time... How often is this likely to happen?
If all goes well, never. But its an escape, so it should be possible to use it say.... 5 times at least?
Does access really have to be near instant? If not, then anything annoying or inconvenient would be fine.

Otherwise, there has to be a cost to accessing the emergency key, but not one that is unacceptable over 5 times a year.

Suggest you purchase 2 "breakable piggy banks". The can be quite cheap. Look on ebay.

Key goes in one. The other is spare. If you have to break one, then you have the spare as backup. However, you then need to order a third, which is annoying enough to act as a deterrent to casual use.

This then uses your fetish to keep you locked up.
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Slave_L wrote:
It can happen, if you do not properly clean yourself (and even if you do, it can still happen) that after you pee, you may find out that you keep the urge to pee and if you try, little to nothing comes out and you have a burning feeling.
I was beginning to think I was the only person having this sort of problem with chastity belts. It appears that there are several possible causes and it is difficult to tell them apart - genuine infection, soreness caused by injury and a rather ill defined and little understood condition called Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome. I have had problems in the past, which may have been a real infection of some sort. Recently, every time I wore my belt, even for a short while, I would experience problems about 24 hours later. Sometimes it would be pain painful muscles and sometimes stinging urination, a bit like you describe. A couple of times I have worried about this for several days before asking the doctor. Last time this happened, I decided to just relax and stop worrying. The problem disappeared again. I resolved to wear the belt for short periods and see if I could work up to longer ones. I haven’t been doing this for long, but the problems seem to be reducing. As you say, I believe it is important to remove the belt if you have any of this sort of discomfort but I don’t think it is necessarily an infection. (Please note that I'm not saying that you cannot get an infection the way you suggest.) In the hope of stopping the problem from arising, I am trying to:

1) Make sure the waist belt is comfortable. If not, it will cause me to tense stomach muscles and they might cause a problem.
2) Make sure the belt does not put pressure between my legs. I think it might upset the prostate in some way.
3) Relax when wearing the belt. Not to get turned on or attempt an erection. That means care reading Boundanna among other things. Maybe a belt is more disciplining than you think! I note that several web sites say that repeated squeezing can cause this type of problem. It seems to me that an erection in a chastity belt tube will put pressure on the underside of the penis near the base, where it goes over the rim. Maybe that’s the “repeated squeezing” in this case.
4)Keep away from any positions that cause discomfort, e.g. stand up if necessary.
5)Stay relaxed when I take the belt off and don’t start worrying that I might have hurt myself or got an infection.
6) Of course, if I really think I have a problem I must go to the doctor but, if I do, I think the belt will have to go this time.

Please note, I am not a medic and I could be completely wrong about this. Unfortunately you can’t go to a doctor and say “I’m having trouble wearing my chastity belt.”

If anyone has any more knowledge or information I would be very interested.
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Oh, I know exactly where the urinary tract infection symptoms come from. If I went to the toilet, and a little bit of pee remains in the urethra and I can't get it to go out, after a while, the symptoms come.

Usually after I went to the toilet, I press against underside of my penis (the area between my balls and asshole) and that usually creates enough pressure to put the remaining pee out. If I do this, there's no problem, and I can wear the belt or cage for an extended time without problems. But sometimes I just can't get the pee out that way. Not relaxed enough while peeing or something.

Usually I find out that after I peed, like 10 to 15 minutes after, the remaining pee still drips out. Its not much pee so I don't worry too much about that. But if that doesn't happen, chances are big that I get these urinary tract infection symptoms.

I am otherwise very careful about pressure and stuff, but I love wearing chastity, so getting an impossible to get erection is usually part of the game for me. I usually watch porn simply because I can't enjoy an orgasm and yes, that does mean I often have an erection while being in chastity. Both cages and belts, done it in all cages I have to be exact. That really is not a problem.

The problem is not so much pressure, the problem is that pee (or semen) gets stuck at the peeing sensor, so to speak, and dries out. Semen should in theory not cause this, but I once had an unwanted orgasm that I stopped by applying lots of pressure below my penis which always helps, but in this case I was too late and the semen was trapped at the point where I applied pressure. It may have been a mixture of that with peeing, I dunno, but anyway, that happened.

When the pee dries out, it starts to irritate the skin, and thus the peeing sensor gets over stimulated. That can feel like a burning sensation but definitely makes you wanna pee after you peed. By drinking lots of water and peeing normally again, or by getting an orgasm, the pee sensor is being wet which usually helps to get the problem go away quickly.
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I have an update!

I haven't solved the problem yet, but I found out what I want to do. I still have to work out some details, so hopefully there are people here that have some good ideas on how to continue from here.

Hiding place
I have a shelving unit/cabinet combination thingy in my livingroom. Its huge and mainly used for storage and decoration. I have a pretty nice Donald Duck pockets collection which I display there. I have enough pockets that I can fill a few of the shelves with 3 rows of pockets. Given that the most recent pockets now have an image if you complete a series, I want to expand my collection even more. I already have one full image and many books of the other series, but I also have older books too.

Now, it came to me, if I create a gap between some of the books at the backside of a shelf, place a small cart box in between, I effectively create a secret hiding place. Put 2 rows of books in front, and no one will find it. Not even if they grab one of the books that are in front.

So, that's the hiding place taken care off.

For securing the key and taking away that I want to use it, I want to secure it in place. I have already decided that I want to use those plastic one-time locks. They psychologically represent a lock and their one-time use means, I need to replace them with new ones if I break them, allowing me to only do it in case I really need to.

In combination with getting the books out of the way and then having to break the lock to get my keys out is enough for me to limit their use to emergencies only.

My only problem is this: How can I secure the keys in place with the plastic padlock without getting to a point where I can destroy whatever it is attached to and use the key like that?

What can I do to mount the key in place? I have considered seeing if there's a small metal box with D ring inside. I'm not skilled in welding or anything, so I can't make something like this myself. I possibly could make something out of wood, but I would still be able to disassemble the wood thing, and get the key out that way.

Also, at some point, I will possibly substitute the plastic lock for a real one and give its key to a key holder.

Any ideas?
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Hi, from my point of view, chemical screw fixings are the best:
- You cannot tear down the wall they're on;
- You could grind them down, but what an effort and mess...;
- Eventually could be unscrewed, but with _really_ big tools!

I've used them for hundreds of Kg, axial force, on the ceiling, and never failed...
Some recommend them even for suspension-bondage, and there are climber's versions...

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Yeah... that's not gonna work in my case.

The shelve unit has a backplate. Its a thin one, but I do not want to alter the shelve unit itself. I will use it to hide the object, but the object itself should hold the key.
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