Increasing electro - not being able to stop it

[ilikepain]

Hi everyone, I'm new here and am excited as for years now I've been messing around with a cheap tens unit. However I find it quite limiting, and of course when I'm controlling the buttons because I play on my own I can't push my limits enough. I have dreamt for some time of being pushed just beyond what I could do to myself. I have a couple of safe ways I can tie myself up but with a tens unit there is no way of then increasing the intensity without also being able to turn it down too, or maybe even not up it if I'm struggling a little. As you acclimatise to the current it really needs to be increasing to keep things working, but I can't make my unit do that on it's own.

Well......I just found the abox from e stim systems is pretty cheap and is audio controlled. This means I can make audio tracks which do whatever I want it to Using audicity (free program) I can create a sound that steadily increases in volume over a set time, or up and down, or even jumps with moments of silence (yes I understand the implications of that, and that it's harder to take than a steady current )

I know there is a very fine line between just being pushed beyond your limit and it being too much so I will experiment a lot when it arrives, but I am sooooo looking forward to being helpless and knowing what's coming but not being able to stop it. I actually want to go into a moment where I actually do regret being in that situation. At that moment I won't be enjoying it, but what I want to experience is the worry of knowing what's coming and that there is no way I can stop it. That excites me greatly and I want to wallow in my predicament while waiting.

Other ideas I have are a Russion Roulette type idea. I could make audio files that last maybe 10 mins or so that reach roughly half volume and save mulitple copies, up to 100. Then make one audio file that reaches full volume by the end of it. I would put all the files in a playlist on an ipod and shuffle it. I would set the levels so the half volume tracks were close to or around my limit. So during my time restrained I would enjoy maybe 3 or 4 tracks. However there is a 1% chance (slightly increasing each time a new track starts) that it would shuffle to the high volume track. This track wouldn't just be loud all the way through, but would again be roughly 10 mins, culminating in an ending that just very momentarily hits a very high level. I would set things up so that if that track played I would know it was that track and so again, I'd know that in roughly 10 mins I'm screwed, even if for a very short time.

I can imagine playing the Russian Roulette idea several times over many months until the day came when I hit that track. Oh boy!!!

Can't wait for my devise to come. Don't worry folks I will be experimenting a great deal before I try anything extreme while in bondage

[KinkInSpace]

I own one myself and I was honestly disappointed with the device.

The biggest problem is that these audio units do not copy the input sound as e-stim 1 on 1, but use the input sound as a trigger and shape the electricity accordingly. The different waveforms do work in creating a different feeling which is great, but in the unit I have (and I assume it is buildin all units) it is triggered based on the volume of the input sound. Any value below a certain treshold, and the electricity is not being generated.

This means, that on my training program which increases its intensity over the course of an hour, the minimum level is never going to be nothing. I can set it to very little, but that means the intensity itself is also set to very little and thus the maximum at the end of the hour is far less than I can take.

Now, after a long trial and error with various waveforms, pulsewidths, eq, etc... I found a very neat waveform which I think uses a ramp or saw wave form, which feels like a knife is cutting me. I also use pulses (far easier) and if I put my powerbox on the highest setting, its definitely going to be too much, and somewhere during that one hour, I will definitely be struggling in pain and it gets worse and worse up to a point where I just can't take it anymore. Out of fear for actual damage, I usually dial down the intensity at that point to still be in actual pain.

Now, recently I got a new problem in this whole scenario.

When I hook myself up to being punished like this, often after a few minutes on a very low setting, I reach an orgasm that I just can't stop. Its probably due to the fact that the audio originally was used with a certain EQ in mind, but when I played it from my phone it just sounded differently and also the feeling was different. Softer. I haven't been able to find a way to use my phone as audio source and be able to get the punishment I want. I don't want to be sitting behind my computer everytime I do a session like this.

Anyway, that said, here's a tip for you to allow you to reach this with your current powerbox: that part where the box outputs more pain than you can handle.

Simply do not use e-stim for 2 months and if you must, avoid that area with a radius of 20 cm from that place. This will ensure that your body forgets what e-stim feels like and your levels lower significantly, maybe even reset to that first try.

Also, if you want to try a different challenge, there is a technique you can use to make everything highly sensitive. Your powerbox will suddenly feel like its 20 times more powerful. You basically reset your sensitivity for your entire body for the duration of about an hour.

For females, simply get an orgasm. For males this would work too, except that after an orgasm we lose our drive to do a session. The trick is to get an orgasm, but while you have one press hard on the space between your anus and ballsack. If you do it right and no cum comes out, you will still reset your system, but because no cum came out, it only takes about 5 minutes before the drive to have sex, comes back. After that, watch a few porn pictures or a video and you're good to go. As added bonus, reaching another orgasm is harder although not impossible.

[ilikepain]

Hi Slave_L, thanks for your reply and info on this unit. I guess I will find out tomorrow how well (or not) it works for me.

I do always find the thought and anticipation is usually far better than the feeling itself, so I'm prepared for things not to be as great as I hope. However, I am sure it will be better than what I currently have. It terms of power I own 2 units, one takes 4x AAA batteries (so output is 6V), and then one I bought more recently that only has 3 x AAA batteries (3.5V output) and this has less power, however it has more interesting settings that due to their nature can be nearly as intense.

The abox take a 9V battery so I assuming it will have more power. Also, my current unit are dual channel and if one is up to max on it's own you don't lose output when you turn up the other, so I am assuming the total power is split, but the abox is a single channel so should be stronger due to that as well.

I usually find a way to make things work, it would be great to get a good spread out contact but still get power but if needed I make the contact points smaller which produces more pain but it's just on the surface of the skin and doesn't really real sexually as nice. It's doable though if needed for my fear element. I actually want to be in a scenario where I am truly scared about what I know am about to feel.

The other thing I play with is either the speed at which things ramp up or turning the power down and back up. Initially I find it hard to get to 3 or 4 out of a max 8, but lo and behold with time I get to 8, full power. This then becomes uncomfortable but not enough. If I turn it right down and wait 30 seconds or so I then wack it straight back u p and find for the first split second it's slightly too much. This goes away too quickly for my liking. I'm never brave enough to do this before getting to 8 in the first place though, or to wait a long time before upping it again. I imagine a 5 min downtime would make going straight to 8 pretty unbearable. No guts to make myself do that though.

I'm sure either way I'll find a way that satisfies my fear of what's to come, even if the feeling at the time isn't sexual. The wait knowing that's going to happen is one of the real turn ons for me. I think this comes from having to play alone and a real desire to be out of control and have someone make me really suffer.

I do wonder what would happen if I climax while in bondage. I often to struggle to climax from electricity alone but when it hits the sweet spot I can't stop it happening. I like the thought of post orgasm torment and my scenarios I plan often include it if I cum, but I haven't yet once manged to continue and just stop things. Being tied up though would mean I couldn't do this and in reality I don't think I'd enjoy that in any way. Could be interesting I guess. The bit I'd enjoy would be trying my hardest to stop it if I felt I was getting close. I've been in a place where I've seriously tried to stop it and really liked being in that moment, but I imagine in a bondage scenario where I knew I couldn't stop things then it would bring a whole new meaning as again fear would kick in and a stronger determination. Hmmmmm interesting

[KinkInSpace]

I've been in that spot myself a few times. If you come with estim 2 things happen.
1. you lose your sex drive
2. your body becomes more sensitive. A high setting E-stim which you could barely tolerate will simply be too much.

I once was bound in inescapable bondage with an ice timer, and I just wanted to cum not being able to do anything about it and had to continue feeling the e-stim. So instead of using a torture setting, I used a mild setting that would definitely allow me to cum and felt nice.

The outputlevel was on a low setting so I could keep enjoying it after my bodies sensitivity level would sharply raise.

As predicted, I was just below the level of which I could handle after cuming, but because I lost my sexdrive, it didn't even felt good. It was rather annoying, and I wanted it to stop, but I was bound and couldn't. I had still 40 minutes remaining and they were one of my least favorite moments in my entire bondage career.

Lesson learned, something I will never repeat. As beautiful as it seemed before, I now know, if you cum, its game over.

[ilikepain]

Oooh that's not so good! I managed to over do it once with a little set up I've mastered using clothes pegs (with bands taped on them for more bite) and an increasing weight in the form of a large bottle slowly filling with water. Only once the clothes pegs having fallen off can I get to the key. One time I had too much bite from the pegs via the elastic bands combined with the water filling up way too slow. For ages it put me off trying it again as it was really unpleasant, it was like a switch just switched off. However, I now look back at it and want to put myself back into that situation because I want it to be too much. Again though I know there's such a fine line, it's impossible to gauge it before and you can't adjust it during. Grrrrrr The downsides of playing on your own huh?

Anyway, my abox arrived today, frustrating as it was due yesterday and I had the house to myself then but not today!) I've managed to squeeze in a little play though ans yes I can see what you mean. It's not particularly powerful. I had this nice thought of a constant yet increasing signal over the period of 15 or 30 mintues, or maybe even an hour or 2. But that really doesn't work. It need to be moving for one as constant is just feels like nothing, and even then I've already gone to max and not found it particularly difficult, or even pleasant. Managed to get to the stage where I felt like the very beginning towards cumming, but it always just felt like I needed more. It certainly wasn't going to get me there.

I have never tried electro truly bound, and I am hoping that maybe when I can't stop it it might heighten my sensitivity to it, but hey ho.

I don't have the bed to myself unfortunately but next time my partner is away I'd quite like to try sleeping with it. I'd set it at quite a low level and have my ipod attached playing mostly silence, and then the occasional little spurt. I'm wondering what it would feel like to be woken by that on and off throughout the night. Again I'm guessing it would be the case that the thought is far better than the reality.

[KinkInSpace]

Constant flow of electricity is not the way to go with an audio triggered device. Indeed, you quickly become accustomed to the sensation and thus you can easily reach for the max.

What you want instead is using pulses. They can be fast pulses though, but it is the combination between on and off that gives the feeling you (don't) desire.

Also, different frequencies and waveforms give different results, filter settings can amplify it even more. So if you are going to use audio, either use an audio source that is included, or if you make it yourself invest a lot of time to find out what works best.

[qktbird]

I have the PES Electro power box and a few different electrodes for it and although it doesn't have any settings to increase the intensity over a set amount of time, It is very easy to do just that. The PES electro box has a knob that you turn to increase the intensity. I purchased one of those cheap kitchen timers that you twist the knob to the desired amount of time and it counts down and the bell rings when the time runs out. The knob on the PES electro powerbox has a small set screw that holds it on and the dial on the timer just pulls off. I was able to find a wire nut that was just the right size to fit onto the timer with the dial pulled off and cut off the tip of the the wire nut so that i was able to push it onto the PES power box when it's knob is taken off. Basically I set my PES power box to the intensity level that I want with it's knob still on and I can visually see how much more it can turn to hit 100%. Then I take the knob off the power box and set the time on the timer to the amount that it will take to get to 100% intensity on the power box and then I connect the two together with the wire nut that I made to attach the two together. Then as the timer is counting down, it's turning the intensity up. I use this setup all the time and it works great. I don't have any pictures of the setup but it's pretty basic and I'm sure there are several other ways to adapt the the timer to drive the knob on the power box.

It's hard to explain but I actually use the box that the PES power unit came in for this setup too because the powerbox is taller than the timer so you cant just stand them up together. The box from the power unit has a foam insert that the powerbox fits in for storage. Once the powerbox and timer are joined, I stand it up in the foam insert and the bottom of the power unit is in the bottom of the box and the bottom of the timer is resting on the top of the foam insert. It sounds confusing but basically you just need to set up a way to keep both the power box and timer level and so that the timer can turn the power up as the timer is counting down.

I've been visiting this site occasionally for years and finally registered so I could make this post. Hopefully this info helps and makes sense. I've been using the same PES electro unit for 8 years or so and I do have to say it's a nice quality powerbox. If you have any questions I'll do my best to reply as soon as I can. My explanation sounds confusing but it's really not that hard to set up.

[ilikepain]

Frustratingly I've not had the house to myself, but I've still managed to do a lot experimenting.

My ideal would have been to set things up so the intensity very slowly increases to just beyond what I could administer to myself. However the abox isn't really powerful enough to do this. Using the enclosed CD gives better results (of course ) but if it slowly goes up it's easy to get to max and it not be enough to cause pleasure (I just fond it frustrating as I need to more) let alone go into pain mode.

However I can get it to cause pain, just not in the way I wanted it to, and despite this initial disappointment from what I'd hoped, at lower levels it can feel quite pleasant. (I don't normally do pleasant, I prefer to 'suffer' ).

If the input volume is too loud it kind of doesn't work at all, and I find turning it down a bit can actually spike the level, and also gives more dynamics to the feeling which feels nice. I can test this out with the output turned quite low, to get the input volume just right. Then turn the output up to get the power. This allows me to experiment with some levels. If I fiddle with the sound files so most of it is quite low in volume and it's hitting the 25% led marker, there's lots of headroom, for a sudden spike to hit higher. I create my mp3 to do this, and test it with low output so I can confirm that the spike does give more output. Then I up the output while testing the lower volume part of the mp3, so this is more powerful and feels quite nice.

If all is ok, I can then start things going but I know the spike is going to be pretty big and painful.

I haven't been able to try anything in bondage yet as never been alone, and am VERY excited at doing this. I have a lot more experimenting to do before so that's good.

I tried the above once and boy did it work. I was too scared to try it again, so that's good, and I am preying I have the guts to set it up when in bondage. In a way because I can't get the steady ramp up that I would like it might actually work better because on my own I'd have no way of knowing if I was aiming too high and would then be stuck in a seriously bad position. A sudden jolt isn't quiet what I wanted, but at least no matter how painful it was it would be over in a second with no harm. So although a different stimulus I would still get the feeling of being helpless and worried about what's to come, which is what I really crave. I seriously want to feel regret at the position I've put myself into.

In fact, going back on myself, I have manged to get a steady ramp up to be too much but it meant using a tiny part of the electrode so as to make it really sharp. This only penetrates the skin and just hurts without feeling sexual at all so is no good. I also seriously couldn't take it and had to stop, so wouldn't have wanted to be helpless and not being able to stop that one.

I also want to try giving it a rest for a week or so to make the sensations more acute, but I don't have the will power to do that

[KinkInSpace]

I'll pm you with a private link to my 1hour torture session. Play this as loud as you can so at the start it will hit 25% to 50% and at the end, you'll reach 100%. I can assure you, that it will become more painful and more painful even though you think you already reached the max.

Beware, its a large file.

[ilikepain]

I have the PES Electro power box and a few different electrodes for it and although it doesn't have any settings to increase the intensity over a set amount of time, It is very easy to do just that. The PES electro box has a knob that you turn to increase the intensity. I purchased one of those cheap kitchen timers that you twist the knob to the desired amount of time and it counts down and the bell rings when the time runs out. The knob on the PES electro powerbox has a small set screw that holds it on and the dial on the timer just pulls off. I was able to find a wire nut that was just the right size to fit onto the timer with the dial pulled off and cut off the tip of the the wire nut so that i was able to push it onto the PES power box when it's knob is taken off. Basically I set my PES power box to the intensity level that I want with it's knob still on and I can visually see how much more it can turn to hit 100%. Then I take the knob off the power box and set the time on the timer to the amount that it will take to get to 100% intensity on the power box and then I connect the two together with the wire nut that I made to attach the two together. Then as the timer is counting down, it's turning the intensity up. I use this setup all the time and it works great. I don't have any pictures of the setup but it's pretty basic and I'm sure there are several other ways to adapt the the timer to drive the knob on the power box.

It's hard to explain but I actually use the box that the PES power unit came in for this setup too because the powerbox is taller than the timer so you cant just stand them up together. The box from the power unit has a foam insert that the powerbox fits in for storage. Once the powerbox and timer are joined, I stand it up in the foam insert and the bottom of the power unit is in the bottom of the box and the bottom of the timer is resting on the top of the foam insert. It sounds confusing but basically you just need to set up a way to keep both the power box and timer level and so that the timer can turn the power up as the timer is counting down.

I've been visiting this site occasionally for years and finally registered so I could make this post. Hopefully this info helps and makes sense. I've been using the same PES electro unit for 8 years or so and I do have to say it's a nice quality powerbox. If you have any questions I'll do my best to reply as soon as I can. My explanation sounds confusing but it's really not that hard to set up.

hey hi qktbird, thanks for your post. (I only just saw it as I think I replied using an unrefreshed browser and so hadn't seen it until now!) Yes that makes sense, and is a great concept. I will look into finding some kind of timer than I can try this with. I need to look up what the PES power unit is and see how different it is from mine.

If I do turn it up by hand though my problem is that I can take it on full power easily and wish it was about twice as powerful at least. This would still be an interesting thing to try out though. I wondering too if having never had electro applied while helpless it will make things more intense than knowing I can turn it off or down at any time Also the anticipation about whether it will be too much is what interests me too

[ilikepain]

I'll pm you with a private link to my 1hour torture session. Play this as loud as you can so at the start it will hit 25% to 50% and at the end, you'll reach 100%. I can assure you, that it will become more painful and more painful even though you think you already reached the max.

Beware, its a large file.

Awesome thank you. Wondering if I have the guts to try this first time full power while bound so I have NO CLUE what to expect. Not sure I could do that to myself, but feel I'd be dissapointed if I tried it first while in control and so then knew what was coming.

[KinkInSpace]

You definitely need to do a dry run with this one.

Lets just say, I know what I'm doing.

[ilikepain]

[mymy42]

Regarding the original question, increasing electro over time, it is worth to know That the high-end ET-313B power box has a built-in ramp up feature that allows you to set from which to star and which to end and the timing for the ramp. You can leave the box control after and pray for not having choose to high goal.

Regarding the "issue" of loosing all sex drive after orgasm, I would say it is something to practice. Proper e-stim can lead to multiple orgasms when correctly done. You first have to train yourself to keep the power on after you cum, and put yourself of a positive mood that it is not finished. It takes time and effort, but is worth. Of course you have to experience settings (waveforms or audio tracks) with which you feel comfortable with, and make sure that your electrodes do not loose contact if your penis becomes flaccid, which would become unpleasant indeed.

Enjoy and play safe.

[ilikepain]

I've been trying to post on this thread all day and keeps coming up with an error ???? Having just posted on a different thread with problems I am wondering if there is something in my text that is upsetting things!!! ????? So trying this post instead. Fingers crossed.