dog shock collar
dog shock collar
hi everyone,i have ordered a shock collar on the internet for some bondage,a change from my ball gag,i am wonerding how safe they are
kerryanne
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For this one, I'm putting on my moderator's hat.
A gentle reminder that electricity is never a good idea in self-bondage.
First, I cannot understand how a dog's shock collar could be a substitute for a ball gag. I would naturally assume that it would actually require the use of a gag of some kind...
What may be safe for a dog could be potentially lethal on a human. On a dog, the shock has to go through a good layer of fur, including the dense one right at the skin, and a rather thick skin on the neck. On you, it's directly on the skin, and in one of the thinner areas at that.
The least you'll get is sharp pain and some strong muscular contractions. Though the risk may be low, there is a possibility that one of the nerves going through there (spinal cord?) will pick up some of the juice and interfere with some vital function (like the heart). Oh, it may not happen the first time, or the second, etc... Russian Roulette works like that - eventually you'll end up with at least one more orifice in your head, and in no condition to take advantage of it. It only has to happen once.
I know, there are already some screaming at their monitors about something involving current being lethal, not voltage (may I remind them that without voltage pushing behind it, there is no current - no pressure in the pipe means no water flow), and that there is very little current in those things, bla bla bla. I know the routine.
There is always an element of risk in self-bondage, but we try to minimize that risk as much as possible. Adding electricity into the equation drastically raises that risk, and even with the safest and most practiced bondage techniques, there is one thing that cannot be escaped once we're in it: death. It's a one-way ticket.
I don't want to go there, and I don't encourage anyone to go there either.
Play safe.
Now I can put my moderator's hat away.
Jenny.
A gentle reminder that electricity is never a good idea in self-bondage.
First, I cannot understand how a dog's shock collar could be a substitute for a ball gag. I would naturally assume that it would actually require the use of a gag of some kind...
What may be safe for a dog could be potentially lethal on a human. On a dog, the shock has to go through a good layer of fur, including the dense one right at the skin, and a rather thick skin on the neck. On you, it's directly on the skin, and in one of the thinner areas at that.
The least you'll get is sharp pain and some strong muscular contractions. Though the risk may be low, there is a possibility that one of the nerves going through there (spinal cord?) will pick up some of the juice and interfere with some vital function (like the heart). Oh, it may not happen the first time, or the second, etc... Russian Roulette works like that - eventually you'll end up with at least one more orifice in your head, and in no condition to take advantage of it. It only has to happen once.
I know, there are already some screaming at their monitors about something involving current being lethal, not voltage (may I remind them that without voltage pushing behind it, there is no current - no pressure in the pipe means no water flow), and that there is very little current in those things, bla bla bla. I know the routine.
There is always an element of risk in self-bondage, but we try to minimize that risk as much as possible. Adding electricity into the equation drastically raises that risk, and even with the safest and most practiced bondage techniques, there is one thing that cannot be escaped once we're in it: death. It's a one-way ticket.
I don't want to go there, and I don't encourage anyone to go there either.
Play safe.
Now I can put my moderator's hat away.
Jenny.
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Come to the Dark Side - we have cookies!
It's probably one of those collars that go off if they "hear" a noise. They are used to train dogs not to bark. Depending on the sensitivity it could be a substitute for a gag, although I still prefer the look and the drooling that comes with a nice gag.
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Google "taser deaths" and you'll find it's not quite as clear-cut as that. Yes, there are usually other factors involved, but let's face it there are probably other factors involved in using one during a bondage session too Suppose the shock causes your neck muscles to spasm and you knock yourself unconscious against the floor?
Yes, I'm sure the "not above the waist" advice is just what they tell the layman and that suitably qualified experts know how to use electrodes safely in other places. However, I still wouldn't trust youtube in lieu of a suitably qualified expert...
Yes, I'm sure the "not above the waist" advice is just what they tell the layman and that suitably qualified experts know how to use electrodes safely in other places. However, I still wouldn't trust youtube in lieu of a suitably qualified expert...
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My moderator's hat will not collect dust, for sure.
Please do not SHOUT, unless your caps lock key got stuck.
YouTube videos don't show those that get killed. They just show those that are crazy enough to try it, survive and post the video. Remember Russian Roulette? You can go up to five times with a standard six-chambered revolver without making a large hole in your head. That does not mean the sixth will not kill you.
Stun guns can kill. There have been a number of tazer deaths recently. Electricity kills. Any amount of electricity that can knock you out can also kill you. Maybe not the first time. Maybe not the second. Maybe not the umpteenth time. Umpteenth plus one could ruin your whole day.
You don't have to believe me or anyone else. You are responsible for your own actions. This forum does not condone the use of electricity in self-bondage play. The last sentence, you can believe it.
Why? Because we care about our members. Now that's a good reason.
Jenny.
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Please do not SHOUT, unless your caps lock key got stuck.
YouTube videos don't show those that get killed. They just show those that are crazy enough to try it, survive and post the video. Remember Russian Roulette? You can go up to five times with a standard six-chambered revolver without making a large hole in your head. That does not mean the sixth will not kill you.
Stun guns can kill. There have been a number of tazer deaths recently. Electricity kills. Any amount of electricity that can knock you out can also kill you. Maybe not the first time. Maybe not the second. Maybe not the umpteenth time. Umpteenth plus one could ruin your whole day.
You don't have to believe me or anyone else. You are responsible for your own actions. This forum does not condone the use of electricity in self-bondage play. The last sentence, you can believe it.
Why? Because we care about our members. Now that's a good reason.
Jenny.
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Kink is the spice of life!
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Hmmm.....
If it is just about this - getting punished for making noises - please take some advise into consideration.
- the collar might give you a shock even if you are silent (when someone/thing else makes noise)
- I am not a physician, but I don't think that your collar will be helpfull when you start coughing, vomitting e.t.c.
So, some of the situations that are critical with a conventional gag might also be critical with your collar.
BTW, what is your release method? Are you sure that the collar might not go off when using your release method? Especially if something goes wrong and there is some struggeling?
Now, a punishment when not being silent - that would be OK if the punishment would be an urine shower or something like that.
Hmmmmm.....
Does anyone here remember the movie "Gwendoline"? French movie, 1983 or 84 (?).
There was one scene were one of the heroines stood and had a very small stick in her mouth. If she would let it go, several spears would kill her.
A mechnism like that (with an urine shower in place for spears) might be interesting.
Regarding the schock collar:
PLEASE DON'T USE IT
However, in the end it is YOUR live. Still, I hate it when valuable things are willfully wasted. And you are en route to do so.
Greetings,
the AbsoluteBeginner
PS: I think that sooner or later, I will go for an open mouth gag.
EDIT:
Possible solution:
Do not fix the tube with your mouth, just bite on it. Failing to bite on it will result in some urine going into your mouth, the rest over your body.
Should be a deterrent to keep your mouth shut.
But this is a quick shoot from me - I have sometimes strange ideas and I did not test this one (as it is only a few minutes old).
If it is just about this - getting punished for making noises - please take some advise into consideration.
- the collar might give you a shock even if you are silent (when someone/thing else makes noise)
- I am not a physician, but I don't think that your collar will be helpfull when you start coughing, vomitting e.t.c.
So, some of the situations that are critical with a conventional gag might also be critical with your collar.
BTW, what is your release method? Are you sure that the collar might not go off when using your release method? Especially if something goes wrong and there is some struggeling?
Now, a punishment when not being silent - that would be OK if the punishment would be an urine shower or something like that.
Hmmmmm.....
Does anyone here remember the movie "Gwendoline"? French movie, 1983 or 84 (?).
There was one scene were one of the heroines stood and had a very small stick in her mouth. If she would let it go, several spears would kill her.
A mechnism like that (with an urine shower in place for spears) might be interesting.
Regarding the schock collar:
PLEASE DON'T USE IT
However, in the end it is YOUR live. Still, I hate it when valuable things are willfully wasted. And you are en route to do so.
Greetings,
the AbsoluteBeginner
PS: I think that sooner or later, I will go for an open mouth gag.
EDIT:
Possible solution:
Do not fix the tube with your mouth, just bite on it. Failing to bite on it will result in some urine going into your mouth, the rest over your body.
Should be a deterrent to keep your mouth shut.
But this is a quick shoot from me - I have sometimes strange ideas and I did not test this one (as it is only a few minutes old).
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Would that also be known under the title "The Perils of Gwendoline", with Tawny Kitaen? If that's it, I have an old VHS of that somewhere in a box. Every time I watch it, I can't stop giggling.AbsoluteBeginner wrote: Does anyone here remember the movie "Gwendoline"? French movie, 1983 or 84 (?).
The message I have been trying to convey until I was blue in the face. Your way of expressing it is quite elegant while still remaining simple. I like it.AbsoluteBeginner wrote: Regarding the schock collar:
PLEASE DON'T USE IT
However, in the end it is YOUR live. Still, I hate it when valuable things are willfully wasted. And you are en route to do so.
From one specialist in strange ideas to another - keep it up. Your strange ideas are much more entertaining than the cerebral nebulosities of the average John or Jane Q Vanilla.AbsoluteBeginner wrote:I have sometimes strange ideas
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Yes, exactly.bound_jenny wrote: Would that also be known under the title "The Perils of Gwendoline", with Tawny Kitaen? If that's it, I have an old VHS of that somewhere in a box. Every time I watch it, I can't stop giggling.
Well, thanks for the kind words. But the average John or Jane should - if they have no workable ideas - at least profit from this forum by learning about strange and RELATIVELY safe ideas of others. Kerryanne's basic motive was to gain safety (avoiding chocking hazards), but her resolution is a deathtrap and I hope that she won't attempt it.bound_jenny wrote:From one specialist in strange ideas to another - keep it up. Your strange ideas are much more entertaining than the cerebral nebulosities of the average John or Jane Q Vanilla.AbsoluteBeginner wrote:I have sometimes strange ideas
Jenny.
BTW: On my Sunday session, I had a rather big block of ice (needed nearly 3 hours to release the key) and when releasing it, the crushed with some noise - might that activate the collar?
Oh, and I do not plan to realize that urine gag. I just wanted to give kerryanne an idea were to go if she wants to pursue the path of "If you are not silent, you are going to be punished".
You must have noticed that I give a very high priority on safety. Today, I tried to set up someting where part of the bondage - a small part - would be a string/cord that could be cut with a pair of siccors (delivered together with an urine shower). Turned out not to be practical - I failed in the very beginning of stetting up that scenario.
Still, the basic idea prevails in my head....maybe something more stable than a string/cord, but still cuttable with a pair of siccors....
...and that part must be away from the body, as I don't want to operate a pair of siccors while my hands are restrained in order to cut something close to my hands. And this in darkness and in panic.
And, of course, I will follow your advise to train to get out of my restraints after getting the key.
Furthermore, I must admit that I will trade *some* safety for more fun - but in a way that I regard as reasonable (with an open mouth gag). And that will wait for at least a week or so.
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If you really want to use a shock collar, with a rework this may make for a better alternative...
(Not tested or verified, just thought up on the fly...)
Remove the "shock" circuit and replace with any of the following:
Bell or siren... "Be quiet, or everyone will know..." needs a delay so that siren does not trip the collar...
Lights... good for outdoor night adventures... just be careful of sticks...
Timer box for key... stay quiet and your key drops out after 1 hour... But every noise add 10 minutes...
... last minute additions...
Electrically controlled glasses... make noise and they turn dark for 10 minutes...
or...
Electrically controlled headset... stay quiet or the headset will turn on and you will not be able to hear anything but the noise in your ears... Kinda hard to tell if anyone is around...( or, as below, turned on for "super ears" or off for "Deaf".
or, mix and match any of the above...
IE: you are making your way quietly through the woods, and night, nude and bound, on your way to your car key, when you hear something, voices maybe, near by... (The headset has a hearing amplifier so you can hear better...)
Suddenly, with the sound of a falling tree, you step on a twig and it snaps!
Now, you are surrounded by a bright flash and plunged into darkness...(Light turns on and goggles turn off...)
There is the sound of thunder before the deafening silence...( siren turns on and headset turns off...)
And you suddenly realise that you will be waiting at your car for another 10 minutes before you can get your cuffs off so you can get inside your car to get your clothes...
(And just how far away was the voices you heard just before????)
(Not tested or verified, just thought up on the fly...)
Remove the "shock" circuit and replace with any of the following:
Bell or siren... "Be quiet, or everyone will know..." needs a delay so that siren does not trip the collar...
Lights... good for outdoor night adventures... just be careful of sticks...
Timer box for key... stay quiet and your key drops out after 1 hour... But every noise add 10 minutes...
... last minute additions...
Electrically controlled glasses... make noise and they turn dark for 10 minutes...
or...
Electrically controlled headset... stay quiet or the headset will turn on and you will not be able to hear anything but the noise in your ears... Kinda hard to tell if anyone is around...( or, as below, turned on for "super ears" or off for "Deaf".
or, mix and match any of the above...
IE: you are making your way quietly through the woods, and night, nude and bound, on your way to your car key, when you hear something, voices maybe, near by... (The headset has a hearing amplifier so you can hear better...)
Suddenly, with the sound of a falling tree, you step on a twig and it snaps!
Now, you are surrounded by a bright flash and plunged into darkness...(Light turns on and goggles turn off...)
There is the sound of thunder before the deafening silence...( siren turns on and headset turns off...)
And you suddenly realise that you will be waiting at your car for another 10 minutes before you can get your cuffs off so you can get inside your car to get your clothes...
(And just how far away was the voices you heard just before????)
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Don't ask, we both wont understand the answer...
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Don't ask, we both wont understand the answer...
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If you've got the $, some commercial e-stim units have audio inputs. You could easily apply the shock to some other part of the body.
see e.g. http://shop.e-stim.co.uk/product_info.p ... ucts_id=61 (even has an internal microphone. I haven't tried it but I want to)
see e.g. http://shop.e-stim.co.uk/product_info.p ... ucts_id=61 (even has an internal microphone. I haven't tried it but I want to)