How much punishment?

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How much punishment?

Postby Keyless » 25 Feb 2016, 12:06

I'd be interested to know what people think about this idea for deciding the severity of a punishment to be administered to a slave. It would work like this. The slave would be locked up ready to receive the punishment. He would then be told what he had done, that he was to be punished and the method to be used. His Mistress would then write down clearly the severity of the punishment she thinks he deserves. This might be strokes, hours, days or whatever is appropriate for the method of punishment to be used. Without seeing what Mistress has written, the slave has to state what severity of punishment he thinks he deserves. Mistress then shows him what she has written. If he has stated the larger of the two numbers then that's what he thinks he deserves and that's what he gets. If he has stated a lower number than Mistress then he gets the number she wrote down, plus a punishment for underestimating the seriousness of what he has done, which is equal to the difference between the two numbers. For example. if Mistress wrote ten and the slave said five he would get 15.

It might be useful to keep a piece of something like shiny plastic and a dry wipe pen, specially for Mistress to write down her number.

Of course, all subject to safe words, limits, consent etc.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Slave_L » 25 Feb 2016, 21:58

It would be fun, but also depends on the punishment at hand. One of the jobs of a Mistress is to make sure the punishment is not too much. This could lead to it being too much.

But if sense is at play, then this would be fun for sure. But I guess as slave, it is even more fun if you don't have to think about what is going to come ahead and just receive anything. Adding this game in the mix can be fun for a session or two though, but I'd not make it the standard.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Keyless » 01 Mar 2016, 16:56

I'm certainly not proposing anything which goes too far. The Mistress should not want to impose a punishment which is anywhere near "too far". Even if the slave says zero he can only double what Mistress has said, and he'd be silly to say zero. The slave should not propose anything he could not handle, so things should not get out of hand. The scheme does have a number of potential benefits. The slave always loses, which is an important element of a Mistress slave relationship. I expect my Mistress is not the only one who is reluctant to make punishments severe enough to make the slave feel confident that he is properly controlled. With this scheme the slave can ask for more severe punishment without directly telling Mistress what to do. Mistress can then increase her severity. Once punishment levels are established, the slave will have a good idea what Mistress will say, but he is still in something of a dilemma - guess a high number to be on the safe side, or guess low and get even more. Personally i like to be sure that I can't get away with anything so, when we next have a chance, I think I will see if Mistress will play along with it. I know I can trust her not to go too far.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Shannon SteelSlave » 12 Apr 2019, 06:09

Sounds like an interesting addition to a game of chance, where dice, card or a roulette wheel might be utilized. One of the meaner ones, since as stated, the sub will always lose.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby lj » 12 Apr 2019, 08:30

My Lady and I developed something similar, which might be of interest.

A number of implements were laid out in a row, floggers, canes, whips. My position was, shall we say, secured, plus a blindfold and minus any clothes. My Lady then asked for a number between, for example 1 and 10. On getting my response, she would count along the row of implements until she arrived at the chosen number, and selected that implement. Another number was then requested, plus a another number. She would then arbitrarily use the numbers in some mathematical way - perhaps add them, or multiply them if I had chosen numbers she considered too small - that determined the number of strokes.

She would then repalce the implement wherever she wished in the row, and the process was repeated. And repeated...
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby CD Tammy » 03 May 2019, 18:25

For a long time, all the adventures that I went on (before the demise of Craigslist) involved a lot of punishment. It took me a while to figure out it isn’t the punishment that turns me on but rather the helplessness. Having no say in how much punishment, or how little punishment a session entails. My wife, who is new to bondage, has given me sessions at each extreme. One night, there was almost no punishment. Probably no more than a dozen licks, but I was secured in uncomfortable positions for long periods of time, that session. I was gagged almost the entire time. Whereas, another session, it seemed like all night, there were punishment sessions. It started with a paddle, then came a wooden spoon, a belt, and a new surprise, she used a riding crop. My ass and the backs of my thighs felt her wrath.

As I said, it’s not knowing. Several years ago, I had a session with a professional dominatrix. Since, I knew what she was going to do to me, I was prepared, mentally for it. It didn’t have the same effect as being helpless.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Shannon SteelSlave » 03 May 2019, 21:15

We truly are a mixed bag of nuts here. Some of us like the punishment, some like humiliation and violation, yet others will prefer the sheer torment.
My habits agree with you, Tammy. I seem to fall somewhere in the predicament bondage category, whereas refusing to hold an uncomfortable position or use strength to stay out of trouble will result in some pain. Being able to do nothing about it (Until the session is over), is very exciting to me. I tend to become bored with strict restraint, and save these techniques as punishment.
I have been able to find contentment whilst wearing chains, cuffs, ect, not strict, but easily apparent. It is a state I do not think I could achieve otherwise. It is best for relaxing, rather than trying to work, as it has a distraction factor. When trying to mix kink with work, I find it best to get the rhythm of the work going, and then add bondage I have planned in advance. Trying to improvise the bondage at this point can bring about that distraction factor. I think there may be some who can enter a zen-like state with their bondage.
Does this make sense to anyone else? Or am I the only nut around here?
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Keyless » 04 May 2019, 15:30

Shannon SteelSlave wrote: When trying to mix kink with work, I find it best to get the rhythm of the work going, and then add bondage I have planned in advance. Trying to improvise the bondage at this point can bring about that distraction factor. I think there may be some who can enter a zen-like state with their bondage.
Does this make sense to anyone else? Or am I the only nut around here?


I agree that improvised bondage is no good to help you work or for that matter some other vanilla activity such as exercise. I have always thought that, if you are going to use bondage to help you work, the bondage kit is part of the equipment for that activity and should be as easy to use, reliable and safe as the rest of the kit. Otherwise, it is likely to turn into an exercise in rigging up bondage equipment with, if the bondage actually works, a bit of work added on. Most people would not rig up an old plank covered with a blanket and propped up on a couple of old boxes to use as an ironing board, so why try to use that approach to the bondage. You may well want to repeat the activity many times so it will probably be worth the effort to devise a good bondage system.

I particularly liked the timer I used to do the ironing. I had to ask to be let out. Ask too early and I got punished with extra time. I had no access to a clock. I would estimate the time the job would take and set the timer so I knew I would be safe to ask for release if I completed the job without hurrying. On one occasion the job went well and I asked for release just 1 minute after the timer finished. On another, the job went badly and I discovered I had spent an extra hour in bondage. I would always have a preset combination lock and a photo of the combination in the computer. Mistress K would check the photo for me so there was no danger I would see it accidentally. Once I had the ironing itself ready, all I needed to do was pass my expensive cycling jersey round a pipe to the radiator, pass a chain up one sleeve, down the other (NOT round the pipe) and lock it into a loop with the combination lock, make sure I had scissors to cut the jersey in emergency and then - on with the leg irons, put keys out of reach, set the timer on the computer and press the lock button (to start the timer and encrypt the photo) and finally padlock the end of the chain to the leg irons or the back of my chastity belt. That was complicated enough but usually I was still thinking about ironing not the bondage kit. I'm not sure about a zen-like state but it certainly changed a nasty boring task into a nice relaxing one.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby CD Tammy » 06 May 2019, 17:06

Shannon SteelSlave wrote:We truly are a mixed bag of nuts here. Some of us like the punishment, some like humiliation and violation, yet others will prefer the sheer torment.
My habits agree with you, Tammy. I seem to fall somewhere in the predicament bondage category, whereas refusing to hold an uncomfortable position or use strength to stay out of trouble will result in some pain. Being able to do nothing about it (Until the session is over), is very exciting to me. I tend to become bored with strict restraint, and save these techniques as punishment.
I have been able to find contentment whilst wearing chains, cuffs, ect, not strict, but easily apparent. It is a state I do not think I could achieve otherwise. It is best for relaxing, rather than trying to work, as it has a distraction factor. When trying to mix kink with work, I find it best to get the rhythm of the work going, and then add bondage I have planned in advance. Trying to improvise the bondage at this point can bring about that distraction factor. I think there may be some who can enter a zen-like state with their bondage.
Does this make sense to anyone else? Or am I the only nut around here?


I become bored in strict restraint, too, but that is also part of the excitement. If I’m truly helpless, I can’t do anything about it. My wife secured me spread eagle to the sofa bed in a hotel suite. I was lying on my back, each wrist and ankle secured to a corner. I was wearing a spandex hood. When I moved my pelvis, my cock rubbed against the tights that I was wearing, and I dripped pre-cum. She was in the bedroom part of the suite, I could hear the television.

It didn’t take long before my arms and legs got a bit sore and I was bored. But I was helpless. I spent the night in that position. Sometime, I fell asleep. In the morning, my wife work me with a swap from her crop across my cock. She moved my wrists to the center of the bed frame, the released my ankles before making me turn over. Just the change of position, helped. I was punished for how wet my tights were, which made them even more wet.
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Re: How much punishment?

Postby Shannon SteelSlave » 06 May 2019, 19:21

I just need some kind of torment. Even if that torment is from the thought of what I did wrong to deserve strict bondage.
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