Perverting the "L Delay":
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Oh the grief of typos!
A lab coat..... hmmmmmm......
Look me deep in the eyes, and join me in the lab.
A lab coat..... hmmmmmm......
Look me deep in the eyes, and join me in the lab.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Experimental data in a spreadsheet:
Looking at the 500g points, the effect of temperature and wire length are clearly seen.
And looking at the weight series (blue diamonds), there is a nice linearity.
I have started a 550g experiment, and hopefully it ends up right where it should.
(somewhere between 150 and 200 minutes)
IMHO that looks very nice!Looking at the 500g points, the effect of temperature and wire length are clearly seen.
And looking at the weight series (blue diamonds), there is a nice linearity.
I have started a 550g experiment, and hopefully it ends up right where it should.
(somewhere between 150 and 200 minutes)
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
That graph is really good! I was expecting consistent data but this is really consistent.
And you gotta love Gonzo's tie.
You're a scientist and a pervert.
Jenny.
And you gotta love Gonzo's tie.
You're a scientist and a pervert.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
And it gets even better!
550g gave 164 minutes! I think I'll make a "How-to write up" without all the small talk one of these days.
Edit: 400g gave 539 minutes. No need to try less for now
550g gave 164 minutes! I think I'll make a "How-to write up" without all the small talk one of these days.
Edit: 400g gave 539 minutes. No need to try less for now
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
You have to put a banana suit on to do a victory dance?
But at least your data isn't slippery.
Jenny.
Small talk? ... Ooooooo.... wait until I peel that banana suit off you...Sir Cumference wrote:without all the small talk
But at least your data isn't slippery.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Write-up: How to make your own "Perverted L Delay"
(Illustrations are on their way from The Cumference Graphical Department)
You will need:
- Electronics solder, 0,7 or 1mm diameter (must be the tin-lead type, not the modern lead-free solder!)
- An adjustable weight (a small sandbag or a plastic soft drink bottle is fine)
- Some small rings (Miniature key rings or links from a thin chain are fine. Or make some from copper wire)
- Hot glue gun
- String
- A pillow for the weight to land on
- some kitchen scales
- some kind of time keeping device
1: Make a bunch of "Delay elements"
- Cut 5cm pieces of solder
- Bend each end in a hook
- Place a ring in each hook, and secure it with a blob of hot melt glue (work on baking paper, the glue won't stick to it)
Work as consistently as possible, the more alike your elements are, the better the timing will be!
2: Prepare the weight
- Pour water in the bottle to a total weight of 600g (maybe 7-800g for 1mm solder)
- Write down the exact weight
- Tie a string around the neck of the bottle (from here on called the weight)
3: The experimental set-up
- You need something like a nail in the edge of a shelf or table, or a hook at the underside of something.
(The delay element must hang from the hook, and the weight must hang freely under it)
- Place the pillow below, to catch the weight.
- Tie the weight's string to one end of a delay element
4: Perform the first experiment
- Hook the other ring on the delay element over the nail
- Sloooooowly let go of the bottle (do not stress the delay element!)
- Start the timer/ note the time
- Make your best evil genius laughter
- Wait for the weight to fall......................................................................................................................
5: BUMP!
- Note the time next to the weight
How long did it take? Hopefully somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours.
6: Redo the experiment, but add or subtract 100g each time.
7: Plot your results!
You now have a calibration curve, that will tell you what delay to expect at a given weight.
In all the experiments I've made, it has never failed to drop the weight, but you must remember to test your exact set-up before use.
Timing will be affected by:
- Temperature (low t, longer time)
- Length of solder (shorter length, longer time)
- Knots, kinks and damage to the solder (shorter time)
- Attachment of the solder ("stress" from knots and bends will shorten time)
- Consistency! (sloppy workmanship leads to uncertain delays )
- Alloy and diameter will (in theory) have a big effect, but you cancel that, by using a commercially produced solder. It can be expected to be very uniform.
Making data collection easier?
Use an automatic timer. A motion activated webcam that takes data stamped photos, an Arduino and a micro switch or an old fashioned electrical clock, that has it's battery ripped out by the falling weight.
Other ways to attach the solder?
Lots, but in my experiments, the "ring and glue" gave the best results.
Other possibilities could be:
- A knot on the solder, resting in a slit (my first solution)
- A bend on the solder, and strings tied onto it with a sheet bend
- A loop of solder (but this gives you twice the strength)
(Illustrations are on their way from The Cumference Graphical Department)
You will need:
- Electronics solder, 0,7 or 1mm diameter (must be the tin-lead type, not the modern lead-free solder!)
- An adjustable weight (a small sandbag or a plastic soft drink bottle is fine)
- Some small rings (Miniature key rings or links from a thin chain are fine. Or make some from copper wire)
- Hot glue gun
- String
- A pillow for the weight to land on
- some kitchen scales
- some kind of time keeping device
1: Make a bunch of "Delay elements"
- Cut 5cm pieces of solder
- Bend each end in a hook
- Place a ring in each hook, and secure it with a blob of hot melt glue (work on baking paper, the glue won't stick to it)
Work as consistently as possible, the more alike your elements are, the better the timing will be!
2: Prepare the weight
- Pour water in the bottle to a total weight of 600g (maybe 7-800g for 1mm solder)
- Write down the exact weight
- Tie a string around the neck of the bottle (from here on called the weight)
3: The experimental set-up
- You need something like a nail in the edge of a shelf or table, or a hook at the underside of something.
(The delay element must hang from the hook, and the weight must hang freely under it)
- Place the pillow below, to catch the weight.
- Tie the weight's string to one end of a delay element
4: Perform the first experiment
- Hook the other ring on the delay element over the nail
- Sloooooowly let go of the bottle (do not stress the delay element!)
- Start the timer/ note the time
- Make your best evil genius laughter
- Wait for the weight to fall......................................................................................................................
5: BUMP!
- Note the time next to the weight
How long did it take? Hopefully somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours.
6: Redo the experiment, but add or subtract 100g each time.
7: Plot your results!
You now have a calibration curve, that will tell you what delay to expect at a given weight.
In all the experiments I've made, it has never failed to drop the weight, but you must remember to test your exact set-up before use.
Timing will be affected by:
- Temperature (low t, longer time)
- Length of solder (shorter length, longer time)
- Knots, kinks and damage to the solder (shorter time)
- Attachment of the solder ("stress" from knots and bends will shorten time)
- Consistency! (sloppy workmanship leads to uncertain delays )
- Alloy and diameter will (in theory) have a big effect, but you cancel that, by using a commercially produced solder. It can be expected to be very uniform.
Making data collection easier?
Use an automatic timer. A motion activated webcam that takes data stamped photos, an Arduino and a micro switch or an old fashioned electrical clock, that has it's battery ripped out by the falling weight.
Other ways to attach the solder?
Lots, but in my experiments, the "ring and glue" gave the best results.
Other possibilities could be:
- A knot on the solder, resting in a slit (my first solution)
- A bend on the solder, and strings tied onto it with a sheet bend
- A loop of solder (but this gives you twice the strength)
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
1879 minutes to break a loop.
Weight vas 500g and temperature 17 C.
Weight vas 500g and temperature 17 C.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
I like your delay.
I was wondering if your loop method time increase could be explained as if it were acting like a pulley?
In other words, if you doubled the weight to 1000g would it break in the same time as a 500g attached to a single line?
I was wondering if your loop method time increase could be explained as if it were acting like a pulley?
In other words, if you doubled the weight to 1000g would it break in the same time as a 500g attached to a single line?
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Hmm. I've got solder lying around from fixing up various electronics around the house. I just might give this a try...
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
I think it would.BornThisWay wrote:I like your delay.
I was wondering if your loop method time increase could be explained as if it were acting like a pulley?
In other words, if you doubled the weight to 1000g would it break in the same time as a 500g attached to a single line?
(but I have not tested it)
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
This release is amazing!
I started off trying to hang a weight from a single strand and I watched the solder stretch and then break in about 3 seconds.
So then I looped it once, initially the solder was about 7 and 7/8 inches, 10 minutes later it was 8 inches.
an additional 10 minutes it reached 8 and 1/4 inches.
watching it slowly stretch to the point it will eventually break.
I'm using a light duty rosin-core soldier that contains lead.
my weight is from an old German clock.
I think "Lead" is the key to it working, although I have not tried it with a lead free soldier. Edit:
it took about 45 minutes to fall, very cool, had to see it for myself. I agree that this is a really great alternate method to ice and Sir Cumference's data shows that it can be reasonably timed by doing a dry run.
Same safeguards should apply, always test it. I suspect too light of a weight could take days or never fall at all.
One thing I did differently was my knot... My knot is not a Knot at all.
It is simply a wrap around, but works great with solder:
I started off trying to hang a weight from a single strand and I watched the solder stretch and then break in about 3 seconds.
So then I looped it once, initially the solder was about 7 and 7/8 inches, 10 minutes later it was 8 inches.
an additional 10 minutes it reached 8 and 1/4 inches.
watching it slowly stretch to the point it will eventually break.
I'm using a light duty rosin-core soldier that contains lead.
my weight is from an old German clock.
I think "Lead" is the key to it working, although I have not tried it with a lead free soldier. Edit:
it took about 45 minutes to fall, very cool, had to see it for myself. I agree that this is a really great alternate method to ice and Sir Cumference's data shows that it can be reasonably timed by doing a dry run.
Same safeguards should apply, always test it. I suspect too light of a weight could take days or never fall at all.
One thing I did differently was my knot... My knot is not a Knot at all.
It is simply a wrap around, but works great with solder:
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Thanks for sharing.
I'm pretty sure too, that the lead is important.
You need a material where defects in the structure can migrate at room temperature.
I prefer a variable weight for the timing. It is much more flexible than varying the thickness or number of strands.
For a more permanent setup I would use a sandbag as a weight.
A trouser leg sewn shut in one end makes a great sandbag for many purposes.
I'm pretty sure too, that the lead is important.
You need a material where defects in the structure can migrate at room temperature.
I prefer a variable weight for the timing. It is much more flexible than varying the thickness or number of strands.
For a more permanent setup I would use a sandbag as a weight.
A trouser leg sewn shut in one end makes a great sandbag for many purposes.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
That might explain why you're wearing shorts a lot...Sir Cumference wrote:A trouser leg sewn shut in one end makes a great sandbag for many purposes.
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
Great discovery
love it
love it
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Re: Perverting the "L Delay":
The reason the L-Delay works is because typical Solder is made from Lead and Tin. Both of these metals have a good Ductility rating.
Meaning that they will stretch and deform under tension.
Schematic appearance of round metal bars after tensile testing.
(a) Brittle fracture
(b) Ductile fracture
(c) Completely ductile fracture
Example of (a) Brittle fracture – Low Ductility Example of (b) Ductile fracture Other metals that can potentially be used (with proper testing) in scenarios
http://www.failurecriteria.com/physicalductilit.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ductility
Meaning that they will stretch and deform under tension.
Schematic appearance of round metal bars after tensile testing.
(a) Brittle fracture
(b) Ductile fracture
(c) Completely ductile fracture
Example of (a) Brittle fracture – Low Ductility Example of (b) Ductile fracture Other metals that can potentially be used (with proper testing) in scenarios
http://www.failurecriteria.com/physicalductilit.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ductility