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Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 09 Aug 2017, 17:23

How would you restrain somes hands with heavy duty Zip ties?.. one Ziptie binding the wrists together or two Zip ties joined together like makeshift handcuffs?.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby Gregovic » 09 Aug 2017, 20:04

ZipTies1 wrote:How would you restrain somes hands with heavy duty Zip ties?.. one Ziptie binding the wrists together or two Zip ties joined together like makeshift handcuffs?.


Personally I would prefer none. Zipties are not really intended for binding a person as their sharp edges can easily do (nerve) damage. IF you insist on using them, I'd go with 2 or 3 (One around each wrist, either interlocking with the wrists crossed or joined by a 3rd in a more traditional handcuffed position)
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 09 Aug 2017, 22:07

Gregovic wrote:
ZipTies1 wrote:How would you restrain somes hands with heavy duty Zip ties?.. one Ziptie binding the wrists together or two Zip ties joined together like makeshift handcuffs?.


Personally I would prefer none. Zipties are not really intended for binding a person as their sharp edges can easily do (nerve) damage. IF you insist on using them, I'd go with 2 or 3 (One around each wrist, either interlocking with the wrists crossed or joined by a 3rd in a more traditional handcuffed position)



In this way, two Zip Ties looped together?.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby bound_jenny » 09 Aug 2017, 23:45

Zipties are meant to be temporary restraints, enough to get from the arrest scene to the local constabulary. In no way should they be used for any sort of longer term self-bondage because of the risk of damage (cuts, blood flow restrictions, nerve damage, etc).

It might sound exciting, and get one worked up thinking about it, but if you really think about it - using your brain and not your gonads - it's not such a good idea.

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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 10 Aug 2017, 00:04

bound_jenny wrote:Zipties are meant to be temporary restraints, enough to get from the arrest scene to the local constabulary. In no way should they be used for any sort of longer term self-bondage because of the risk of damage (cuts, blood flow restrictions, nerve damage, etc).

It might sound exciting, and get one worked up thinking about it, but if you really think about it - using your brain and not your gonads - it's not such a good idea.

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I understand, But I was thinking more along the lines of an Arrest Roleplay Scenerio.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby JIMDINI » 10 Aug 2017, 01:10

ZipTies1 wrote: by ZipTies1 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:04 am

bound_jenny wrote:
Zipties are meant to be temporary restraints, enough to get from the arrest scene to the local constabulary. In no way should they be used for any sort of longer term self-bondage because of the risk of damage (cuts, blood flow restrictions, nerve damage, etc).

It might sound exciting, and get one worked up thinking about it, but if you really think about it - using your brain and not your gonads - it's not such a good idea.

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I understand, But I was thinking more along the lines of an Arrest Roleplay Scenerio.


Even handcuffs are only intended as temporary restraints for transporting prisoners.

Police normally only resort to zip ties when making mass arrests. This is because Officers PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) only contains one pair of handcuffs.

Arrest roleplay would therefore require good quality handcuffs applied correctly (These usually come with instruction sheets).
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 10 Aug 2017, 02:10

JIMDINI wrote:
ZipTies1 wrote: by ZipTies1 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:04 am

bound_jenny wrote:
Zipties are meant to be temporary restraints, enough to get from the arrest scene to the local constabulary. In no way should they be used for any sort of longer term self-bondage because of the risk of damage (cuts, blood flow restrictions, nerve damage, etc).

It might sound exciting, and get one worked up thinking about it, but if you really think about it - using your brain and not your gonads - it's not such a good idea.

Jenny.




I understand, But I was thinking more along the lines of an Arrest Roleplay Scenerio.


Even handcuffs are only intended as temporary restraints for transporting prisoners.

Police normally only resort to zip ties when making mass arrests. This is because Officers PPE (Personal Protective Equipment) only contains one pair of handcuffs.

Arrest roleplay would therefore require good quality handcuffs applied correctly (These usually come with instruction sheets).



How long is the Maximum that an Arrestee can be kept in Handcuffs/zipties?.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby cheap_sb » 10 Aug 2017, 02:18

I would not use zip ties directly as a restraint, rather I'd use it as a binding utility.

As in it's a replacement for a lock or individual link in a chain or rope, or a lashing that holds two other lashings together.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby JIMDINI » 10 Aug 2017, 02:37

ZipTies1 wrote:How long is the Maximum that an Arrestee can be kept in Handcuffs/zipties?.


How long is a piece of string? In the UK, generally restraints will be removed on arrival at the custody suite, violent prisoners will have the restraints removed once they have been placed in the cells. handcuffing is to prevent escape and for officer safety, and is currently seen as a use of force by the Home Office (basically more bureaucracy, governments answer to everything) meaning a report at the end of shift.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ruru67 » 10 Aug 2017, 10:22

Coupla things:

Firstly, Police usually use "disposable handcuffs", or "riot cuffs". These can be single or double looped, but they're not just zipties. Zipties for cable management et c aren't designed for use against skin and have nasty edges; disposable cuffs for law enforcement don't. If you tie someone up with zipties, especially around the wrists, any struggling is going to cause nasty abrasions.

What you can do with zipties is put them through plastic tubing. Wrap the tube around the intended prisoner's wrist, and cut to length, so you have one for each wrist (or other extremity). Insert the tie , wrap around each wrist and tighten. Then join the ties with another ziptie. The tube will prevent over-tightening and protect the wrists. You can cut the tie where it exits the tube to release.

Oh, and get a pair of side cutters (diagonal cutters, wire cutters) to cut the ties. Don't use scissors, and never use a knife.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 10 Aug 2017, 16:16

ruru67 wrote:Coupla things:

Firstly, Police usually use "disposable handcuffs", or "riot cuffs". These can be single or double looped, but they're not just zipties. Zipties for cable management et c aren't designed for use against skin and have nasty edges; disposable cuffs for law enforcement don't. If you tie someone up with zipties, especially around the wrists, any struggling is going to cause nasty abrasions.

What you can do with zipties is put them through plastic tubing. Wrap the tube around the intended prisoner's wrist, and cut to length, so you have one for each wrist (or other extremity). Insert the tie , wrap around each wrist and tighten. Then join the ties with another ziptie. The tube will prevent over-tightening and protect the wrists. You can cut the tie where it exits the tube to release.

Oh, and get a pair of side cutters (diagonal cutters, wire cutters) to cut the ties. Don't use scissors, and never use a knife.
I doubt the Prisoner will be struggling much, what if the Prisoner is wearing long sleeves?.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby lj » 11 Aug 2017, 07:33

ZipTies1 wrote:
ruru67 wrote:Coupla things:

Firstly, Police usually use "disposable handcuffs", or "riot cuffs". These can be single or double looped, but they're not just zipties. Zipties for cable management et c aren't designed for use against skin and have nasty edges; disposable cuffs for law enforcement don't. If you tie someone up with zipties, especially around the wrists, any struggling is going to cause nasty abrasions.

What you can do with zipties is put them through plastic tubing. Wrap the tube around the intended prisoner's wrist, and cut to length, so you have one for each wrist (or other extremity). Insert the tie , wrap around each wrist and tighten. Then join the ties with another ziptie. The tube will prevent over-tightening and protect the wrists. You can cut the tie where it exits the tube to release.

Oh, and get a pair of side cutters (diagonal cutters, wire cutters) to cut the ties. Don't use scissors, and never use a knife.
I doubt the Prisoner will be struggling much, what if the Prisoner is wearing long sleeves?.


I'd just like to add my own experiences with zip ties. I used one to link a pair of cuffs behind my back. Then realised I had left the scissors (yes, scissors) on a shelf. I managed to retrieve the scissors (via falling off a chair and breaking a rib) and tried to cut the zip-tie. The scissors broke apart and the blade cut my hand quite badly. Fortunately I remembered I had a pair of side-cutters and managed to get them and release myself.

There are two lessons (at least) one is never use scissors to cut zip-ties ! Second is the amount of pressure I subjected my wrists to in an attempt to use the scissors would have ripped through any clothing and skin if I had used zip-ties round my wrists - the cuffs saved me from that
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby ZipTies1 » 11 Aug 2017, 22:00

lj wrote:
ZipTies1 wrote:
ruru67 wrote:Coupla things:

Firstly, Police usually use "disposable handcuffs", or "riot cuffs". These can be single or double looped, but they're not just zipties. Zipties for cable management et c aren't designed for use against skin and have nasty edges; disposable cuffs for law enforcement don't. If you tie someone up with zipties, especially around the wrists, any struggling is going to cause nasty abrasions.

What you can do with zipties is put them through plastic tubing. Wrap the tube around the intended prisoner's wrist, and cut to length, so you have one for each wrist (or other extremity). Insert the tie , wrap around each wrist and tighten. Then join the ties with another ziptie. The tube will prevent over-tightening and protect the wrists. You can cut the tie where it exits the tube to release.

Oh, and get a pair of side cutters (diagonal cutters, wire cutters) to cut the ties. Don't use scissors, and never use a knife.
I doubt the Prisoner will be struggling much, what if the Prisoner is wearing long sleeves?.


I'd just like to add my own experiences with zip ties. I used one to link a pair of cuffs behind my back. Then realised I had left the scissors (yes, scissors) on a shelf. I managed to retrieve the scissors (via falling off a chair and breaking a rib) and tried to cut the zip-tie. The scissors broke apart and the blade cut my hand quite badly. Fortunately I remembered I had a pair of side-cutters and managed to get them and release myself.

There are two lessons (at least) one is never use scissors to cut zip-ties ! Second is the amount of pressure I subjected my wrists to in an attempt to use the scissors would have ripped through any clothing and skin if I had used zip-ties round my wrists - the cuffs saved me from that


Other than the Scissors issue, how did the zipties feel on your wrists?.
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Re: Using Heavy Duty Zip ties to Restrain Someshands?

Postby lj » 12 Aug 2017, 09:35

ZipTies1 wrote:
lj wrote:Firstly, Police usually use "disposable handcuffs", or "riot cuffs". These can be single or double looped, but they're not just zipties. Zipties for cable management et c aren't designed for use against skin and have nasty edges; disposable cuffs for law enforcement don't. If you tie someone up with zipties, especially around the wrists, any struggling is going to cause nasty abrasions.

What you can do with zipties is put them through plastic tubing. Wrap the tube around the intended prisoner's wrist, and cut to length, so you have one for each wrist (or other extremity). Insert the tie , wrap around each wrist and tighten. Then join the ties with another ziptie. The tube will prevent over-tightening and protect the wrists. You can cut the tie where it exits the tube to release.

Oh, and get a pair of side cutters (diagonal cutters, wire cutters) to cut the ties. Don't use scissors, and never use a knife.
I doubt the Prisoner will be struggling much, what if the Prisoner is wearing long sleeves?.


I'd just like to add my own experiences with zip ties. I used one to link a pair of cuffs behind my back. Then realised I had left the scissors (yes, scissors) on a shelf. I managed to retrieve the scissors (via falling off a chair and breaking a rib) and tried to cut the zip-tie. The scissors broke apart and the blade cut my hand quite badly. Fortunately I remembered I had a pair of side-cutters and managed to get them and release myself.

There are two lessons (at least) one is never use scissors to cut zip-ties ! Second is the amount of pressure I subjected my wrists to in an attempt to use the scissors would have ripped through any clothing and skin if I had used zip-ties round my wrists - the cuffs saved me from that[/quote]

Other than the Scissors issue, how did the zipties feel on your wrists?.[/quote]

I didn't have zip-ties on my wrists, I had a pair of home-made leather cuffs. I had already decided zip-ties were too dangerous for direct skin contact
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